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  • Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
    I cannot find acs' original post, but I read that Maine now has 9 Covid-19 fatalities compared to 7 snowmobile fatalities this past winter. I trust that you did pay attention in 6th-8th grade math classes and learn about exponentials? Oh, right, your hero Chuck wrote pages back that this virus is not a math problem.
    https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/

    Couldn't find a Maine snowmobile url!
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    • Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

      Originally posted by LTsatch View Post
      Listen in to the Covid mutual aid response in NYC, it is non stop. These are extra units brought in beyond the everyday capabilities. God bless them all. https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/32441/web
      Lots of Fire and Rescue and ambulance teams from New Hampshire are in NYC to support their efforts at the request of NYCs Fire Department. The New York Times has a great map they keep updated:
      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-us-cases.html

      New Hampshire has only had 621 cases and 9 deaths as of now and just about all of those are in two counties that border Massachusetts. Seven northern counties have had no deaths. This is really surprising because southern NH is really just a suburb of Boston. On the weekends the big retail outlet stores in southern New Hampshire sites like Nashsu are swamped with Massachusetts residents taking advantage of the tax-free environment. I would have thought that they would have been harder hit.
      Last edited by Dutchman; 04-05-2020, 06:23 AM.
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      • Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

        Deaths per 100,000 population:
        New York State = 18.2
        Connecticut = 4.6
        Massachusetts = 3.2
        Vermont = 3.2
        Maine < 1.0
        New Hampshire < 1.0

        One of the hardest-hit counties in Massachusetts is Middlesex county which borders in part on New Hampshire. Its amazing New Hampshire has been able to keep its death rate so low.
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        • Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

          Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
          I cannot find acs' original post, but I read that Maine now has 9 Covid-19 fatalities compared to 7 snowmobile fatalities this past winter. I trust that you did pay attention in 6th-8th grade math classes and learn about exponentials? Oh, right, your hero Chuck wrote pages back that this virus is not a math problem.
          All winter long, accidents, versus less than a month with something that could have been preventable if the government had taken the proper steps earlier.

          You know, there was a time, not too long ago, that NY only had nine deaths, also.

          Are all UNH alumni ignorant, or just the hockey fans?
          What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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            Originally posted by rufus View Post
            All winter long, accidents, versus less than a month with something that could have been preventable if the government had taken the proper steps earlier.

            You know, there was a time, not too long ago, that NY only had nine deaths, also.

            Are all UNH alumni ignorant, or just the hockey fans?
            Hey!
            I will not be out cheered in my own building.

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              Originally posted by net presence View Post
              Darius, thanks for the compliment....I think. And no, it's B. A mid-western state school of little renown.
              100%.

              I knew it wasn't because UNH Journalism is part of the English Department not Communications which is how many schools, sounds like yours, structure it.
              I will not be out cheered in my own building.

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              • Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                Originally posted by Dutchman View Post
                Deaths per 100,000 population:
                New York State = 18.2
                Connecticut = 4.6
                Massachusetts = 3.2
                Vermont = 3.2
                Maine < 1.0
                New Hampshire < 1.0

                One of the hardest-hit counties in Massachusetts is Middlesex county which borders in part on New Hampshire. Its amazing New Hampshire has been able to keep its death rate so low.
                Credit to Governor Sununu for closing bars, restaurants just after MA did and just before the cross border flood of thirsty M*******s began. NH individual sensibility shone early. While a few still go about their business ("If I catch it and die, so be it") with no regard for the greater good, most got it early. Superintendents closed schools before the Governor's order. My company, very much a work-life balance place to work, never closed, but did recognize that each employee should do what they felt best. The next day 80% were WFH.
                I will not be out cheered in my own building.

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                • Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                  Nice to be able to just read thoughtful posts with out having to respond 👍
                  $90(more) for a drink holding ledge and a Maine blanket, but the views still great.
                  Just win.....

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                  • Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                    Originally posted by e.cat View Post
                    Thank you for that Dr. I'm baffled by the dicotomy of opinions on this!
                    I can only hope that big pharma is not influencing this for profits!
                    Dealing with pharmaceutical therapies can be like an enigma wrapped up in a maze of confusion. i don't doubt when there is money involved, virtually every profession and every manufacturer and of course, every politician makes what they can. I am not making any prophecy nor am I espousing any policy. Simply reporting what lots of training in 3 separate specialties and a ton of experience over 50 years allows for. I try to be a common sense physician. I have used medications off label for many years. I worry above all about safety. i would prefer to prescribe a drug for a condition that is 100% (or as close to that as feasible) safe even if it is somewhat less effective than a drug that works better or faster but carries with it considerable risk. I weight that all important risk/benefit ratio heavily.
                    In some cases, you do not have the time you would like to truly evaluate something because the condition presenting is simply life threatening or life changing. Thankfully most are not like that. Mortality and morbidity varies so greatly among the various diseases and conditions that it is impossible to be hard and fast. This is why I have always said that the practice of medicine is only 75% science. There is about 20% that is what used to be called the Art Of medicine. And no matter what anyone tells you, the last 5% is just pure luck. I have tended to patients who should have had a zero per cent chance of survival, pretty much had nothing to offer, did little and they survived to live healthy l0ng lives. And I have had others who had what was called a minor condition, did everything the books said to do, tried everything extra I could think of, referred to the finest specialists in the world who tried all sorts of experimental treatments. And they still did poorly and died.
                    This current problem is one we really have to think about. it is not all that similar to those of the past in spite of experts saying it is. it is so new that we know little about so much of it. What little we do know however, is that the mortality rate is proving (so far) to be something we should be able to manage and that a vast majority of people do recover (fully? Too soon to know). We are still in the trial and error stage and although the whole world is watching (and of course everyone is an expert with an opinion), I have yet to see enough to allow me to feel even the least bit comfortable in saying i understand it. Would i try some therapy like Chloroquine on a patient? In the most dire of circumstances, perhaps. Would I take it myself or offer it to my family? With what I know of the drug right now, yes.
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                    • Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
                      Dealing with pharmaceutical therapies can be like an enigma wrapped up in a maze of confusion. i don't doubt when there is money involved, virtually every profession and every manufacturer and of course, every politician makes what they can. I am not making any prophecy nor am I espousing any policy. Simply reporting what lots of training in 3 separate specialties and a ton of experience over 50 years allows for. I try to be a common sense physician. I have used medications off label for many years. I worry above all about safety. i would prefer to prescribe a drug for a condition that is 100% (or as close to that as feasible) safe even if it is somewhat less effective than a drug that works better or faster but carries with it considerable risk. I weight that all important risk/benefit ratio heavily.
                      In some cases, you do not have the time you would like to truly evaluate something because the condition presenting is simply life threatening or life changing. Thankfully most are not like that. Mortality and morbidity varies so greatly among the various diseases and conditions that it is impossible to be hard and fast. This is why I have always said that the practice of medicine is only 75% science. There is about 20% that is what used to be called the Art Of medicine. And no matter what anyone tells you, the last 5% is just pure luck. I have tended to patients who should have had a zero per cent chance of survival, pretty much had nothing to offer, did little and they survived to live healthy l0ng lives. And I have had others who had what was called a minor condition, did everything the books said to do, tried everything extra I could think of, referred to the finest specialists in the world who tried all sorts of experimental treatments. And they still did poorly and died.
                      This current problem is one we really have to think about. it is not all that similar to those of the past in spite of experts saying it is. it is so new that we know little about so much of it. What little we do know however, is that the mortality rate is proving (so far) to be something we should be able to manage and that a vast majority of people do recover (fully? Too soon to know). We are still in the trial and error stage and although the whole world is watching (and of course everyone is an expert with an opinion), I have yet to see enough to allow me to feel even the least bit comfortable in saying i understand it. Would i try some therapy like Chloroquine on a patient? In the most dire of circumstances, perhaps. Would I take it myself or offer it to my family? With what I know of the drug right now, yes.
                      My beloved sister in law passed unexpectedly a little more than a year ago. My son in laws' father who is a physician, said death often is mysterious.

                      If I was knocking on deaths door I would take it also!
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                      • Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                        Originally posted by e.cat View Post
                        If I was knocking on deaths door I would take it also!
                        100%. Might the President phrase that way?
                        I will not be out cheered in my own building.

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                        • Originally posted by Darius View Post
                          100%. Might the President phrase that way?
                          Agree Darius
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                          • Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                            Originally posted by net presence View Post
                            Hey, I warned everyone it was really long. In all seriousness though "scoreboard", I'm sorry you interpreted my long-winded, point by point (but accurate in it's counter-points) response to "Chuck's" post from that day as demonstrating a "hate" for the president. Obviously, I made no attempt to hide the fact I disagree with almost everything about his response -- or lack thereof -- to this crisis. As well as the way the right chooses to interpret what else has transpired in the last 4.5 years since the beginning of his campaign. However, I like to think there isn't anyone I truly hate. Still, for many of us this is no surprise as we predicted his presidency would probably be a disaster. Sadly, those of us who predicted that could never have imagined he'd be so incompetent he would literally end up being directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds and maybe thousands of our citizens. I notice though that, instead of trying to refute my counter-points to Chuck, you took the easy way out and just went with the quick generalization.
                            Given the crazy long, late-to-the-game nature of your response, it's rich of you to accuse anyone of taking the "easy way out", net. scoreboard was just providing the rest of us with a helpful PSA.

                            See, there's this really basic difference between you and a poster like 'Watcher. The most obvious one is, he's able to organize his thoughts in a cogent way, and put forth an informed position. I'm pretty sure he also hasn't been brainwashed into his opinions by a posse of dyed-in-the-wool lefties that have apparently radicalized you over on the Café, and has come to his opinions through his life experiences - like myself, and like most folks I know and respect. He also doesn't jump into outdated parts of a discussion he wasn't a part of "in the moment" - much less days (week?) after it's been aired out between the participants - totally devoid of in-the-present context. Plus, coming in over the top as "third man in" gets you a game misconduct in The Show, as you know.

                            I can barely keep track of the numerous times you lost me in your epic screed, but you'll probably be elated to know I somehow made it all the way through. It was like those situations when you're on the other side of the interstate from a bad accident, and you instinctively slow down to view the aftermath and the wreckage. Anyway, there are quite literally dozens of times where you contradict yourself, or put out easily rebuttable leftist "conventional wisdom" and talking points, and I don't have the time or the patience to basically re-litigate things 'Watcher and I discussed a while back, just for your personal entertainment. But just a few examples … at one point you profess to "refuse to get into name calling or ad hom attacks in these forums" … yet at the very end of the preceding paragraph, you rip on Republicans for purportedly embracing "blatant xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, and racism/white nationalism, just to name a few". That seems to be a profound lack of self-awareness, no? There was another part later (much later) where you criticized President Trump's involvement of his children ("beyond the pale compared to what has occurred in any other previous administrations. Period.") overlooks the fact that a President in my lifetime - likely not yours though - appointed his own brother as his US Attorney General. Oops, inconvenient, sorry. Finally, I do have my doubts about your professed 1984 vote for President Reagan. As someone whose bio claims an age in the "early 50's" - not mid-50's or late 50's - it's almost been 36 years since 1984, and you have to be 18 years old to vote. Do the math. Also, Reagan's opponent was Walter Mondale, who would have been a fellow Minnesotan for a young kid like you to vote for. Hmm. Maybe I'm taking you too literally, and maybe you did vote for Reagan in '84? To me, it feels like someone trying too hard to establish their bona fides. Just sayin'. A few shorter bullet points to consider:

                            * Mueller? Twenty (20) Democrat lawyers/donors had three (3) years and unlimited resources, and came up with zilch, zero, zip, nada … and Mueller himself pooped his pants when forced - against his will, by the Resistance Dems - to testify to serve their political agenda. And if your excuse for no charges was even close to valid … why waste the time/money chasing nothing?

                            * China vs. Russia? Russia is only THE primary US enemy/rival if you're Marty McFly, or a card-carrying Clintonista (obligatory Darius call-out), since China's GDP is at least 4 times bigger than Russia's (plus some people from China just did something to us). The Cold War ended over 30 years ago, not sure if you noticed, and that Reagan guy you claim to have voted for ended it;

                            * You don't care for Hannity or Coulter? That's your prerogative. Coulter is hardly the President's biggest fan these days. But I wouldn't expect you to know that. Being so "immersed" and "exposed" to Chairman Fill-in-the-Blank on Café, it's verboten;

                            * Trump/Fauci faux friction … yeah, that's been a "thing" on MSM (and on USCHO), until Dr. Fauci himself dispelled it. Just because it's inconvenient and embarrassing for your side's narrative, doesn't mean it didn't happen, or the other guys missed it. Nice try.

                            I could go on (and on and on and on) but … well, you get the picture.

                            Net, you strike me as an earnest (albeit malleable) person, with a nice family, from a nice part of the country … and with lots (and I do mean LOTS) of free time on your hands. I'm sincerely sorry to hear that your small business was shuttered during the prior administration, which unfortunately chose to put more emphasis on silly "identity politics" than things like businesses and jobs and the economy. I don't know you, and I've never read your postings until yesterday's tsunami rolled in. But I'll confess, this feels to me like you've been assigned to do some community project to earn another badge towards becoming a lefty Eagle Scout, with all of your Café comrades egging you on in the background. You seem to be pliable enough to serve their needs, and as such, you're being their "useful idiot" (it's a term BTW - not a personal attack) for this. You are probably being used, but regardless, and I've given you more of a response than I planned … but I'm not willing to enable you/them by playing along any further, sorry.
                            Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
                            Montreal Expos Forever ...

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                            • Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                              Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
                              ... card-carrying Clintonista (obligatory Darius call-out)...
                              Moi?
                              Besides, what'd (((I))) do???

                              Just sittin' back here sharin' in the groove.
                              I will not be out cheered in my own building.

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                              • Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                                Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
                                * Mueller? Twenty (20) Democrat lawyers/donors had three (3) years and unlimited resources, and came up with zilch, zero, zip, nada … and Mueller himself pooped his pants when forced - against his will, by the Resistance Dems - to testify to serve their political agenda. And if your excuse for no charges was even close to valid … why waste the time/money chasing nothing?

                                * Trump/Fauci faux friction … yeah, that's been a "thing" on MSM (and on USCHO), until Dr. Fauci himself dispelled it. Just because it's inconvenient and embarrassing for your side's narrative, doesn't mean it didn't happen, or the other guys missed it. Nice try.
                                #1 - We can agree to disagree, but you are dead wrong.

                                #2 - For the greater good and having no reason to play the President's game. If Dr. Fauci were not a real live national hero, the President would have fired him 2 weeks ago. Not sure if the President has authority to do that, but he would have done it. Also, credit to Dr. Fauci for his professionalism and diplomacy while sticking to the facts and his beliefs which are based on experience and science.
                                I will not be out cheered in my own building.

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