COVID-19 - Part 2

[Chuck Murray]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

Gotta love it when the INtolerant left plays the race card Chuck. Usually means they have no logical or reasonable leg to stand on!

Funny how that happens, eh e.cat? Call it virtue-signaling, call it projection … I call it garbage.

Oh, and lookie here, another race-baiter slimed in under the door right before your post ...

For one, he'd most likely let Dr. Fauci take the lead on this and not make a "daily update" into a goddammed Klan rally about himself.

Yes, I suspect given Biden's current condition, there would be a lot - A LOT - of delegation of tasks, should the 45-60 days we're shut down for with this "test drive of socialism" appeal to the masses, beyond the coastal so-called elites and their useful idiots. The idea of unelected "expert" officials actually running the country probably appeals to most Democrat/Socialist fantasies, while it scares the living crap out of everyone else. Because being an "expert" in one area does not make one an "expert" in everything.

Here's an on-point article from a former Minnesota GOP Congressman touching on that point ...

https://alphanewsmn.com/gutknecht-th...-with-experts/

We now see that shared sacrifice has its limits. The fact is that half of our citizens are being asked to bear the costs of “flattening the curve.” The other half continue to get their pensions, social security and salaries.

Would government workers be as quiet if they were furloughed in proportionate numbers to the layoffs in the private sector? Would some professors be demanding that colleges reopen if they weren’t getting paid?

This is not to second guess or say that these experts are bad people. They are well-intentioned. We don’t have to question their motives. But, it is fair to question the recommendations from experts when they create enormous financial pain. Pain which they will never personally feel. Would those experts make the same recommendations if they were forced to lay off a third of their associates? People they know and work with?

Very fair questions we were discussing a month ago on the previous thread ...

[Wayuphere]

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Ahh, the trumpettes come out and start blaming everyone accept orange man.

Biden verbal miscues vrs the 4th grade idiots verbal miscues? Oh my, would love to see that list. The few Biden has made at least are words that he has heard before and understands their meaning and proper usage.
Trump has the vocabulary of, yep, a 4th grader and clearly reads words off a prompter that means nothing to him. Go off script and adlib? A true sick comedy show at that point.

The Trump Virus was not a big deal, then became a war that he was going to lead us to victory to, and now, classic not my fault, here’s $1200 remember me come November.

What a legacy he is making for himself. Willingly allowed thousands to die while he twiddled his thumbs. Stocks crashing got his attention (ain’t that a surprise), and now he is responsible for a Great Recession or worse.
All on his watch. No one else’s.

[LynahFan]

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Because being an "expert" in one area does not make one an "expert" in everything.

Wait, so a NYC slumlord might NOT make a great president? I'm stunned....

Here's an on-point article from a former Minnesota GOP Congressman touching on that point ...

https://alphanewsmn.com/gutknecht-th...-with-experts/

We now see that shared sacrifice has its limits. The fact is that half of our citizens are being asked to bear the costs of “flattening the curve.” The other half continue to get their pensions, social security and salaries.

Would government workers be as quiet if they were furloughed in proportionate numbers to the layoffs in the private sector? Would some professors be demanding that colleges reopen if they weren’t getting paid?

This is not to second guess or say that these experts are bad people. They are well-intentioned. We don’t have to question their motives. But, it is fair to question the recommendations from experts when they create enormous financial pain. Pain which they will never personally feel. Would those experts make the same recommendations if they were forced to lay off a third of their associates? People they know and work with?

Very fair questions we were discussing a month ago on the previous thread ...

Definitely interesting questions. However, they have no bearing whatsoever on the rightness or wrongness of those decisions. Either shutting down was the right thing to do, or it wasn't. Whether person X or Y or Z would have made that call is interesting, but only academically. Since I believe that shutting down was the right call AND I agree with your insinuation that people with more skin in the game would not have made that call, then I'm glad we have expert policymakers who are freed to do the right thing without worrying about whether "I got mine."

Who should be making the call? A pizza parlor owner? So that he can get his $50k of profit for the year while hundreds of thousands die around him?

Greed is good....to a point.

[Wayuphere]

Funny how that happens, eh e.cat? Call it virtue-signaling, call it projection … I call it garbage.

Oh, and lookie here, another race-baiter slimed in under the door right before your post ...



Yes, I suspect given Biden's current condition, there would be a lot - A LOT - of delegation of tasks, should the 45-60 days we're shut down for with this "test drive of socialism" appeal to the masses, beyond the coastal so-called elites and their useful idiots. The idea of unelected "expert" officials actually running the country probably appeals to most Democrat/Socialist fantasies, while it scares the living crap out of everyone else. Because being an "expert" in one area does not make one an "expert" in everything.

Here's an on-point article from a former Minnesota GOP Congressman touching on that point ...

https://alphanewsmn.com/gutknecht-th...-with-experts/

We now see that shared sacrifice has its limits. The fact is that half of our citizens are being asked to bear the costs of “flattening the curve.” The other half continue to get their pensions, social security and salaries.

Would government workers be as quiet if they were furloughed in proportionate numbers to the layoffs in the private sector? Would some professors be demanding that colleges reopen if they weren’t getting paid?

This is not to second guess or say that these experts are bad people. They are well-intentioned. We don’t have to question their motives. But, it is fair to question the recommendations from experts when they create enormous financial pain. Pain which they will never personally feel. Would those experts make the same recommendations if they were forced to lay off a third of their associates? People they know and work with?

Very fair questions we were discussing a month ago on the previous thread ...

Notice how they always go after the individual? Always a slam on the poster they disagree with and throw in some personal put down.

Well Zippy, you DO NOT KNOW the sacrifices people are making. Once again, “I, ME, MINE” is your underlying theme. Disgusting.

[sm2pk]

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End of days . Our downfall will be having a moron like Trump pretending that he understands this virus better then anyone.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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End of days . Our downfall will be having a moron like Trump pretending that he understands this virus better then anyone.

So much dying. Perfect dying. You're gonna be sick of dying!

[Whalers]

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The Wuhan Virus death toll has continued to grow in Maine to 11 at last count (against the 7 total snowmobilers as reported, and 277 Maine opioid deaths in the first 9 months of 2019). I know, exponential growth, so it appears the people of Maine not following the rules are helping us to inch closer to the, whats the number? 1.1 - 2.7 Million US deaths, 244,000 estimated deaths 100,000 estimate for the US.

After the first 4 Months in the US, the Wuhan Virus death toll is approx. 10,000 (please give me the obligatory link to the number as of 30 seconds ago) nationwide, and worldwide it is 71,000. A good idea would be to place these numbers (with space left over) in perspective for COLLEGE HOCKEY FANS;

US Deaths vs. Engelstad Arena capacity of 11,640

Worldwide Deaths vs. Cold War Game (Mich St vs Mich @ Spartan Stadium) attendance of 74,554

Before you go jumping all over me, if you would like to look at the breakdown of deaths vs underlying Health conditions, you can go to this right wing propaganda site (before Trump furloughs the staff and shuts it down) and dive in:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm

SPOILER ALERT - I am giving FULL CREDIT that social distancing, self-quarantining, cancelling of events and other measures ARE helping to slow the spread of the WUHAN Virus. All of these, and washing your hands/not touching your face (though one could also include big city (democratic) mayors no longer telling the populace they are racists if they forgo certain "ethnic" events).

The bottom line, this is not a death sentence like the MSM is portraying.

[acs64]

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Interesting timeline being reported by Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21N0EJ

The CDC was first alerted by its counterpart in China on January 3. It had the power to act on its own to check passengers coming from China (no presidential authority needed) but did not do so until (meekly) January 17 and more robustly on January 28. Why did they not act sooner? What information were they waiting for from China? Why were they waiting? Was the CDC waiting for the World Health Organization? They could have acted on their own authority.

I was in Hong Kong heading back to Boston on January 3 and it was already being communicated with alarm by the Hong Kong authorities. I believe they shut down the train that came directly from Wuhan to Hong Kong shortly thereafter. Did our CDC contact other sources?

This article supports my contention that the CDC really "Fuxkxd Up" big time on this one. While we are debating presidential politics, we should also be talking about accountability. There does not seem to be any for those in our federal government.

If this were China, the head of the CDC would be taken out and shot.

Confirms what I had heard about the CDC. One giant f-up on their part. Center for Disease Control. CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL. Let that sink in.

As far as the Maine snowmobiler death count goes, I had a total of 11 deaths caused by reckless and no doubt inebriated driving this winter. So in my book the Wuhan Bat Flu death count in Maine has not surpassed that number yet. But I have every confidence it will. Just wild azz guessing here but I think we'll end up with somewhere around 75,000 deaths nationwide before its all said and done in a couple years or so. I hope not, but seems reasonable to me.

So my question is, did it originate in a lab as a result of an error or did someone at the wet market just decide to snack on fried or raw bat thinking that would make a nice lunch ?

[Dutchman]

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"Then Homeland security adviser Fran Townsend told ABC News that Bush put together a comprehensive pandemic plan in an intense effort over three years ...."

A USA Today fact-check showed that the Obama administration allowed the N95 mask stockpile to deplete following a series of crises ...."

https://www.newsma*****/newsfront/ka...nt=&gdpr=false

Bush was prepared... Obama dropped the ball... Trump was right that Obama left a mess. Did the CDC fail to replenish the supply?

[NCAA watcher]

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"Then Homeland security adviser Fran Townsend told ABC News that Bush put together a comprehensive pandemic plan in an intense effort over three years ...."

A USA Today fact-check showed that the Obama administration allowed the N95 mask stockpile to deplete following a series of crises ...."

https://www.newsma*****/newsfront/ka...nt=&gdpr=false

Bush was prepared... Obama dropped the ball... Trump was right that Obama left a mess but he did not fix the mess in his first two years. Probably too busy fighting Miller and Impeachment.

If you want to play the political game to blame the guy you want to blame, then sure blame Obama who wanted them, and ignore your Trump guys like Meadows, Jim Jordan and McCarthy who blocked that.

After using up the swine flu emergency funds, the Obama administration tried to replenish the stockpile in 2011 by asking Congress to provide $655 million, up from the previous year’s budget of less than $600 million. Responding to swine flu, which the CDC estimated killed more than 12,000 people in the United States over the course of a year, had required the largest deployment in the stockpile’s history, including nearly 20 million pieces of personal protective equipment and more than 85 million N95 masks, according to a 2016 report published by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

“We recognized the need for replenishment of the stockpile and budgeted about a 10% increase,” said Dr. Nicole Lurie, who served as the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration. “That was rejected by the Republican House.”

Republicans took over the House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms on the Tea Party wave of opposition to the landmark 2010 health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The new House majority was intent on curbing government spending, especially at HHS, which administered Obamacare.

https://www.propublica.org/article/u...ed-coronavirus

[Dutchman]

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Conservative Pundits Weren’t the Only Ones to Get the Pandemic Wrong
By JONATHAN S. TOBIN
April 3, 2020 5:46 PM

On February 5, the Times published an op-ed by global-tourism reporter Rosie Spinks under the headline, “Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to China?” The article, an argument against Trump’s restrictions on flights from China, took the point of view that the real problem with the virus was that it was promoting hate against Chinese people and hurting the travel industry.

The same intellectual reflex motivated politicians such as New York City mayor Bill de Blasio and his health commissioner, Oxiris Barbot, to spend February and part of March dismissing the pandemic. They urged New Yorkers to disregard any fears about the virus and attend the Chinese New Year celebrations and parade in New York’s Chinatown. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did the same thing while promoting the Chinese New Year festivities held in her native San Francisco’s Chinatown. In retrospect, such advocacy is hard to defend given the likelihood that the virus was already starting to spread. But at the time, the looming danger wasn’t yet clear, so the political needs of the moment took precedence.

Meanwhile, on January 31, the Washington Post published an op-ed by former Harvard professor David Ropeik that sought to dismiss fears about the impending pandemic as a figment of our collective imagination, mocking the notion of a “global health emergency.” A few days, later the Post ran another opinion piece by a pair of academics under the headline “Why we should be wary of an aggressive government response to coronavirus,” which claimed fears about the pandemic were merely an invitation to “harsh measures” that would “scapegoat marginalized populations.”

It's interesting ... all New Yorkers read the New York Times and on February 5th the New York Times was promoting travel to China .... in other words suicide. No wonder New York City is in such a mess. The New York Times and deBlasio and his health commissioner Oxiris Barbot have blood on their hands .....

[net presence]

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"Then Homeland security adviser Fran Townsend told ABC News that Bush put together a comprehensive pandemic plan in an intense effort over three years ...."

A USA Today fact-check showed that the Obama administration allowed the N95 mask stockpile to deplete following a series of crises ...."

https://www.newsma*****/newsfront/ka...nt=&gdpr=false

Bush was prepared... Obama dropped the ball... Trump was right that Obama left a mess. Did the CDC fail to replenish the supply?

Dutchman, ok, Obama may have dropped the ball on letting the equipment supply deteriorate/not maintain supplies. Funny though, Trump has been president for 3.5 years now and, has had numerous warnings about the possibility of a pandemic, including an actual exercise on a pandemic at the very beginning of his administration. Three and a half years is a pretty long time in any administration. How much responsibility does the Trump administration have in what the status of that stockpile was in at the start of this? Considering Trump's administration was aware of the situation 3.5 years ago, shouldn't they bear the majority of the blame? I think anyone applying common sense and logic would normally come to that conclusion. Still, I await your to hear your well reasoned response.

[acs64]

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Dutchman, ok, Obama may have dropped the ball on letting the equipment supply deteriorate/not maintain supplies. Funny though, Trump has been president for 3.5 years now and, has had numerous warnings about the possibility of a pandemic, including an actual exercise on a pandemic at the very beginning of his administration. Three and a half years is a pretty long time in any administration. How much responsibility does the Trump administration have in what the status of that stockpile was in at the start of this? Considering Trump's administration was aware of the situation 3.5 years ago, shouldn't they bear the majority of the blame? I think anyone applying common sense and logic would normally come to that conclusion. Still, I await your to hear your well reasoned response.

Was not Obama president 8 years prior to Trump ? So he had 8 years to fix the "problem" but did not ? I love playing the blame game. Its so counterproductive.

[net presence]

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Chuck, I'm disappointed. Three posts today and not one sentence devoted to my message to you from last night? Cat got your tongue? Or, is the lack of a response your way of simply acknowledging that you really can't respond to my points without looking foolish?

[LynahFan]

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Chuck, I'm disappointed. Three posts today and not one sentence devoted to my message to you from last night? Cat got your tongue? Or, is the lack of a response your way of simply acknowledging that you really can't respond to my points without looking foolish?

When has he ever been worried about looking foolish?