Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!

[sunprairie]

In looking at Hayton's post UW days, he didn't play hockey last year and the year before had UW like numbers for 3 different ECHL teams over only 24 games. I think something was going on there, there is a story to be told. A player just doesn't go from being an elite player to off a cliff like that and never bounce back.

I’d like to think it simply revealed that being elite in the ECAC does not equate to being elite in other conferences. 😜

[MadCityRich]

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I’d like to think it simply revealed that being elite in the ECAC does not equate to being elite in other conferences. 😜

Fact

[Timothy A]

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I’d like to think it simply revealed that being elite in the ECAC does not equate to being elite in other conferences. 😜

Surely the B7 is a better hockey conference, we all can agree on that, but the gap can't be that big.

[sunprairie]

Surely the B7 is a better hockey conference, we all can agree on that, but the gap can't be that big.

Pair that gap with a kid who came in completely believing his own press and you have a perfect storm for what we observed after he left St. Lawrence.

[Timothy A]

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Pair that gap with a kid who came in completely believing his own press and you have a perfect storm for what we observed after he left St. Lawrence.

I would think/hope he could have got his groove back in the minors after dealing with a bad year like that at UW.

[MadCityRich]

Pair that gap with a kid who came in completely believing his own press

Kind of sounds current, eh?

[sunprairie]

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I would think/hope he could have got his groove back in the minors after dealing with a bad year like that at UW.

That's just it. I don't think his UW year was "just a bad year." I think it revealed his shortcomings that had been hidden and protected by playing in a small school in a less-competitive conference. Basically, things came easy to Hayton at St. Lawrence largely due to the competitive environment and a smaller private school that might have been more willing to coddle and put up with his attitude. When he arrived at Wisconsin and the competition was tougher, he folded. And it seems as though he experienced the same thing in the next level up, too.

Kids all have ceilings and I think he reached his when he had to play the B7 competition and above. And, from how quickly it fizzled, I am guessing his "holier than thou" attitude also had a "if it doesn't come easy, I quit" component, too.

It's also, to the comment directly above, why I worry about a guy like Turcotte moving on, and feel even more confident now that Cole will actually be an NHL stud. I understand why Turcotte left, he's been seriously hurt both of the past two seasons, and if that trend would have continued before grabbing a contract, he could find himself never making any pro money of substance. It's hard to turn that money down at 20 years old. But, Cole is the one making the right decision. He seems to have recognized, either through self reflection or good guidance, that even though he is "great," you don't want to move up to the next level until you have conquered the one you're at. He has room to grow, and if we see that growth this year, it might be awesome for UW.

It's a lesson that in hindsight I bet Frederic had seen coming. He left thinking he'd be playing in Boston the next Fall. Now he's spent two years in Providence and Bruins fans don't know if they'll ever see him in Beantown for an extended stay. Another year, or even two, in college would have done him well. And would have selfishly done the Badgers well, too.

[DPlaya]

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Cole was likely not offered a contract as the GM of the Canadiens said publicly he thought Cole was best served to stay at Wisconsin another season at this point vs. the NHL or AHL. My point is I'm not sure it was Cole making the correct decision, but it does seem to be the correct decision imo as well.

[sunprairie]

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Cole was likely not offered a contract as the GM of the Canadiens said publicly he thought Cole was best served to stay at Wisconsin another season at this point vs. the NHL or AHL. My point is I'm not sure it was Cole making the correct decision, but it does seem to be the correct decision imo as well.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned advisors, which I would include the GM within, because at the age of a Cole or Turcotte, they need someone who has the perspective of time vs. the pot of cash in front of them that each one of us would understandably grab at 19 years old. It's just interesting to have the two of them as parallel, but now diverging case studies. Will be interesting to watch both of their progress.

[Timothy A]

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Vorlicky played a whole year under this regime and saw his draft status drop from 208 in January to not ranked at all. Every draftable player coming or already here saw their draft ranking drop. Very troubling.

[solovsfett]

Vorlicky played a whole year under this regime and saw his draft status drop from 208 in January to not ranked at all. Every draftable player coming or already here saw their draft ranking drop. Very troubling.

And that’s what advisors and other schools will use in recruiting.

I have 0 faith in this staff.

[WiscTJK]

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Vorlicky played a whole year under this regime and saw his draft status drop from 208 in January to not ranked at all. Every draftable player coming or already here saw their draft ranking drop. Very troubling.

And that’s what advisors and other schools will use in recruiting.

I have 0 faith in this staff.

yes and yes. I just don't see how things get better.

[MadCityRich]

That's just it. I don't think his UW year was "just a bad year." I think it revealed his shortcomings that had been hidden and protected by playing in a small school in a less-competitive conference. Basically, things came easy to Hayton at St. Lawrence largely due to the competitive environment and a smaller private school that might have been more willing to coddle and put up with his attitude. When he arrived at Wisconsin and the competition was tougher, he folded. And it seems as though he experienced the same thing in the next level up, too.

Kids all have ceilings and I think he reached his when he had to play the B7 competition and above. And, from how quickly it fizzled, I am guessing his "holier than thou" attitude also had a "if it doesn't come easy, I quit" component, too.

It's also, to the comment directly above, why I worry about a guy like Turcotte moving on, and feel even more confident now that Cole will actually be an NHL stud. I understand why Turcotte left, he's been seriously hurt both of the past two seasons, and if that trend would have continued before grabbing a contract, he could find himself never making any pro money of substance. It's hard to turn that money down at 20 years old. But, Cole is the one making the right decision. He seems to have recognized, either through self reflection or good guidance, that even though he is "great," you don't want to move up to the next level until you have conquered the one you're at. He has room to grow, and if we see that growth this year, it might be awesome for UW.

It's a lesson that in hindsight I bet Frederic had seen coming. He left thinking he'd be playing in Boston the next Fall. Now he's spent two years in Providence and Bruins fans don't know if they'll ever see him in Beantown for an extended stay. Another year, or even two, in college would have done him well. And would have selfishly done the Badgers well, too.

Some of your best work, brah.

[MadCityRich]

One thing I've never asked the parents of NHLers I know; who the hell are family advisors? I have always assumed they are undercover agents who almost 100% of the time push their clients, errrr I mean "advicees" to the money.

Who are they?

[sunprairie]

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Some of your best work, brah.

Even an old broken clock is right twice a day.