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    Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

    It's a good piece and I can't argue with any of it.

    My takeaway from yesterday is that Sanders' and my theory that a strong Left lurch would energize a large bloc of voters previously alienated by the Centrism of Dem nominees was not supported. There will be analyses for years why, but the fact is Biden won the night and should now continue to gain strength and win the nomination outright. That will support the Centrists' model of the electorate.

    So to Handy and dx and others: congratulations. It looks like you were right and I was wrong. I'm disappointed but I'm glad to find out in March and not November, and that's why we have primaries. Vote Blue no matter who!

    Now I'm going to slink off and cuddle my Marx teddy bear for a while...
    I'm with handy. Don't congratulate me. I'm not thrilled with this. Biden was initially my fifth or sixth choice:
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    Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

    And so it begins. I hope dems start rolling the tapes of this guy slurring

    “ President Trump's daughter-in-law Lara Trump said it’s “fair” to question former Vice President Joe Biden’s “cognitive function” in the 2020 race after he made a few verbal gaffes, saying she feels “nervous” when he goes to speak “that he’s not going to be able to coherently string a sentence together.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    And so it begins. I hope dems start rolling the tapes of this guy slurring

    “ President Trump's daughter-in-law Lara Trump said it’s “fair” to question former Vice President Joe Biden’s “cognitive function” in the 2020 race after he made a few verbal gaffes, saying she feels “nervous” when he goes to speak “that he’s not going to be able to coherently string a sentence together.”
    This should be dollar number one Bloomberg spends.
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    I also hope you don't leave for too long.
    I've mourned.

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    Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

    On MSNBC last night, someone said Bloomberg needs to put together the attack messages against Trump, while Joe stays above the fray and hammers all the policy issues, healthcare, jobs, and such that got the Dems the House in 2018.

    Let Mike tweak l'il Donnie into constant Twitter rages.

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    Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    And so it begins. I hope dems start rolling the tapes of this guy slurring

    “ President Trump's daughter-in-law Lara Trump said it’s “fair” to question former Vice President Joe Biden’s “cognitive function” in the 2020 race after he made a few verbal gaffes, saying she feels “nervous” when he goes to speak “that he’s not going to be able to coherently string a sentence together.”
    He doesn't have the "vivor" Trump does.

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    Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    And so it begins. I hope dems start rolling the tapes of this guy slurring

    “ President Trump's daughter-in-law Lara Trump said it’s “fair” to question former Vice President Joe Biden’s “cognitive function” in the 2020 race after he made a few verbal gaffes, saying she feels “nervous” when he goes to speak “that he’s not going to be able to coherently string a sentence together.”
    Jesus does every airhead that marries one of these clowns a plagiarist? SHE STOLE MY WORDS EXACTLY
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    Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    On MSNBC last night, someone said Bloomberg needs to put together the attack messages against Trump, while Joe stays above the fray and hammers all the policy issues, healthcare, jobs, and such that got the Dems the House in 2018.

    Let Mike tweak l'il Donnie into constant Twitter rages.
    This is true. Mike knows the things that set Trump off and can do a lot of damage that way. He doesnt need to play nice, he is a jerk by nature and can use his skills for good for once
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    This is true. Mike knows the things that set Trump off and can do a lot of damage that way. He doesnt need to play nice, he is a jerk by nature
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    Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    On MSNBC last night, someone said Bloomberg needs to put together the attack messages against Trump, while Joe stays above the fray and hammers all the policy issues, healthcare, jobs, and such that got the Dems the House in 2018.

    Let Mike tweak l'il Donnie into constant Twitter rages.
    Open two fronts. It's how you win. Mike understands the media better than the rest of the field. His campaign might not have been a winning strategy, but it was fairly effective and just missed viability in both California (21,000 votes short) and Texas (1,100). I don't know if missing 15% statewide excludes you from district level, but he was viable in a lot of counties (I understand these aren't how delegates are awarded). If he can even manage to pull 1% more support to the nominee in MI, PA, WI, MN, FL, and NC, this one is probably over.


    Also, this article is fascinating: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...esday-primary/
    Key points - Biden won: College grads (+9), health care as #1 (+9!!), climate change as #1 (+5), somewhat liberal (+11), Democrats (+14), blacks (+41), women (+10)


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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Open two fronts. It's how you win. Mike understands the media better than the rest of the field. His campaign might not have been a winning strategy, but it was fairly effective and just missed viability in both California (21,000 votes short) and Texas (1,100). I don't know if missing 15% statewide excludes you from district level, but he was viable in a lot of counties (I understand these aren't how delegates are awarded). If he can even manage to pull 1% more support to the nominee in MI, PA, WI, MN, FL, and NC, this one is probably over.


    Also, this article is fascinating: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...esday-primary/
    Key points - Biden won: College grads (+9), health care as #1 (+9!!), climate change as #1 (+5), somewhat liberal (+11), Democrats (+14), blacks (+41), women (+10)


    Edit: Green Papers FTW again: https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/CA-D
    From what I understand, if you’re not viable statewide, you don’t unlock any of those potential delegates, but you can still earn some delegates for being above 15% in any one congressional district in a state.

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    A Biden-Bloomberg alliance is an easy one and I do suspect he'll be putting his millions to use propping up Biden and p issing off Chump. Several posters have asked the DNC to broadcast some of Chump's mental breakdowns to counter what his campaign is trying to do to Biden. I wouldn't worry about the DNC because I suspect Bloomberg will do it for them, and in a much more effective manner.
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    I keep seeing a Biden nod is embarrassing given his age and supposed reduced mental faculties and this isn't even coming in some cases from Bernie Bros.

    We all know Trump sucks, but his voters don't care. I fail to comprehend why so many Democrats/liberals are so butthurt about this they can't find it in themselves to grow up fight to defeat Trump.

    Sadly this election is likely never going to be about policy so the Democrats need to find a way to fight dirty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    I keep seeing a Biden nod is embarrassing given his age and supposed reduced mental faculties and this isn't even coming in some cases from Bernie Bros.

    We all know Trump sucks, but his voters don't care. I fail to comprehend why so many Democrats/liberals are so butthurt about this they can't find it in themselves to grow up fight to defeat Trump.

    Sadly this election is likely never going to be about policy so the Democrats need to find a way to fight dirty.
    I'd be more concerned were it not for the new voters Biden inexplicably brought in, as nobody saw that coming. He seems to be attracting the same crowd that drove the 2018 wave - educated moderates who were voting Republican but have jumped ship in the Chump era. IF he can keep that up a subset of whiny Bernie Bros really aren't going to matter as long as they don't vote FOR Trump again this time, and merely sit out the election.

    I also agree about fighting dirty, but with Bloomberg pretty much taking over the funding and messaging for the party and his deep disdain for Trump I feel the calculations have changed somewhat. The dude has enough money to hire Trump and all his idiot kids as his butler, provided you could trust any of them to walk your dog without losing it somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    This is true. Mike knows the things that set Trump off and can do a lot of damage that way. He doesnt need to play nice, he is a jerk by nature and can use his skills for good for once
    While Joe appears as nice, affable Uncle Joe.

    Dems need to be searching out every clip where Donnie is slurring, babbling incoherently, every time he's saying something, has one of those spasms and quickly says "look", and starts off on some completely different tangent, the toilet paper up the plane steps, the umbrella, the wrong turns on the tarmac and that press event in Pakistan or wherever, being hauled away in the middle of the day from the WH for some unspecified medical event, etc, every time he appears baffled or incoherent, they need to be running those constantly. 9

    Likewise, every time he's been with Putin or some Saudi leader, or whomever, and he's standing there slump-shouldered and submissive, that meek little look on his face, every time he's said something at the UN or global conference and the attendees have snickered and laughed at him,"This is the man to stand up for America on the world stage?"

    Hit him where he's definitely gonna be hitting you. Reveal him for the weak, small man he is. He'll go ballistic.

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    You don’t say?

    “ GOP Sen. Ron Johnson, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, is planning to force a vote next week on the first subpoena stemming out of his probe tied to former Vice President Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden and Ukrainian gas company Burisma.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    While Joe appears as nice, affable Uncle Joe.

    Dems need to be searching out every clip where Donnie is slurring, babbling incoherently, every time he's saying something, has one of those spasms and quickly says "look", and starts off on some completely different tangent, the toilet paper up the plane steps, the umbrella, the wrong turns on the tarmac and that press event in Pakistan or wherever, being hauled away in the middle of the day from the WH for some unspecified medical event, etc, every time he appears baffled or incoherent, they need to be running those constantly. 9

    Likewise, every time he's been with Putin or some Saudi leader, or whomever, and he's standing there slump-shouldered and submissive, that meek little look on his face, every time he's said something at the UN or global conference and the attendees have snickered and laughed at him,"This is the man to stand up for America on the world stage?"

    Hit him where he's definitely gonna be hitting you. Reveal him for the weak, small man he is. He'll go ballistic.
    Agreed. The way to expose a bully is to show he's a weakling. The way to expose a con man is to show he's a fraud.

    That won't just trigger Dump. His followers are insecure losers. Exposing him exposes them. They more they are stirred up the more they will alienate everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I was saying Clyburn made a poor personal political choice for the future. If the machine is still in control he's fine. If there's a new sheriff in town he has no reason to alienate young Democratic voters in his state, particularly young black voters, who see the senescence of the Old DLC Way and are preparing to clear out the deadwood.

    Political machines die because they ossify and never take change seriously. They work tirelessly to cool passions, defuse any call for reform, and spread fear or mockery of new ideas, because they like their spot at the top of the wheel. So they look absolutely impregnable until it all collapses at once. Clyburn didn't need to do anything -- he could have kept his options open. That was the smart move. Nobody back in DC had his nuts in a vice. This was an unforced error. By committing he identifies himself with the Clueless Olds, and that may not be a good place to be in the next few years.
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    Hey - don't you owe Clyburn an apology over this one?
    Yes. Clyburn was right. I apologize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Agreed. The way to expose a bully is to show he's a weakling. The way to expose a con man is to show he's a fraud.

    That won't just trigger Dump. His followers are insecure losers. Exposing him exposes them. They more they are stirred up the more they will alienate everyone else.
    And half those supporters have probably never seen the spasms, the blithering incoherence. Seeing that on their tv's for the first time might just shatter a few of their illusions.

    They'll still vote for him nonetheless, but it may just send a small dose of reality to them.

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