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  • #451
    Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
    Oh please. Bernie has been a politician for almost as long as I have been alive. He isnt going to burn down anything. I know no one on either side of the argument wants to hear it but he isnt the revolutionary figure you all seem to think he is. He is a career politician who is just farther Left than most. He cant burn the system down because he is, in fact, the system. Trump had never held any office he truly was Anti-Establishment...Bernie is the Establishment.

    It is rather crazy how polarizing he is. His backers think he is the Messiah Incarnate and his detractors think he is Fidel ready to topple everything, drink turpentine and **** on the smoldering ashes of it. Good lord it is kind ridiculous the closer we get to the end.
    Bernie is actually the least threatening candidate out there. He isn't really a Democrat. The power brokers in the Democratic party don't like him, they think he is grumpy and mean. He spent thirty years in Congress and couldn't get legislation passed when he actually had a vote. If he wins, so what. There isn't going to be Medicare for All. People aren't going to get their college tuition/loans forgiven.

    The worst outcome for the Dems is Bernie wins and then all the young voters and Latinos that came out to support him learn the jaded truth about politics. But they're going to learn that one way or the other anyway.
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    • #452
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      • #453
        Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

        but he is grumpy and mean
        a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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        • #454
          Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

          Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
          Yeah, I like Warren best and I voted for her yesterday. Plenty of time later to have to vote for someone I like less
          This is exactly the best attitude. It's how I voted in the past for Jesse Jackson and, for that matter, Bernie Sanders.

          Vote for your best case in the primary and then tactically (which at this point always means the Dems) in the general.
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          • #455
            Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
            Bernie is actually the least threatening candidate out there. He isn't really a Democrat. The power brokers in the Democratic party don't like him, they think he is grumpy and mean. He spent thirty years in Congress and couldn't get legislation passed when he actually had a vote. If he wins, so what. There isn't going to be Medicare for All. People aren't going to get their college tuition/loans forgiven.

            The worst outcome for the Dems is Bernie wins and then all the young voters and Latinos that came out to support him learn the jaded truth about politics. But they're going to learn that one way or the other anyway.
            It's pretty hilarious to watch anyone poo poo the power of the Presidency. Especially at this time in our history when it's at it's highest point.
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            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
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            • #456
              Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

              Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post


              So Sanders is bad because he is too revolutionary. And Sanders is bad because he doesn't acknowledge the brokenness we live in. Simultaneously.
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              • #457
                Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                The worst outcome for the Dems is Bernie wins and then all the young voters and Latinos that came out to support him learn the jaded truth about politics. But they're going to learn that one way or the other anyway.
                Your concern is noted.
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                • #458
                  Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Your concern is noted.
                  Oh, I don't have any concern or worry over that. The youngsters will learn soon enough, if they haven't already.
                  That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                  • #459
                    Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

                    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                    Oh, I don't have any concern or worry over that. The youngsters will learn soon enough, if they haven't already.
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                    • #460
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                      • #461
                        Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

                        Originally posted by BassAle View Post
                        so I'm voting today. I'm still undecided at this point. My #1 concern is who has the best chance to beat Trump.

                        I like Warren, but considering she'll be dropping out soon I will be voting for Sanders or Biden. Please convince me your candidate has the best chance of beating Trump. I like many of Bernie's policies, but I think there is a near zero percent chance he would be able to enact them, and I'm a little suspect of how effective he will be at a president (since he'll actually have to do more than rail on the rich). At this point I'm only interested in arguments related to electability.
                        The chances that Biden generates more enthusiasm and energy (especially among minorities and younger voters who will go door to door) than Bernie is basically zero.

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                        • #462
                          Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

                          Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                          The chances that Biden generates more enthusiasm and energy (especially among minorities and younger voters who will go door to door) than Bernie is basically zero.
                          I'm not so sure about that. Biden got some pretty nifty endorsements last night. You can see a Cabinet starting to take shape if he wins. I'm hoping whoever the Democrat winner of the Presidency is they really lean on their Cabinet, and the people they put in charge to institute real change and get everything on track. I want to see a nation led by a group of people with big ideas and a group sense of purpose. Pretty much the polar opposite of what we have now.

                          And, yes, I think Bernie can do that too.
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                          • #463
                            Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

                            Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                            The chances that Biden generates more enthusiasm and energy (especially among minorities and younger voters who will go door to door) than Bernie is basically zero.
                            The only canvassers to visit my home this week were Warren's. Two very nice 20-something ladies and I had a nice polite and mutually complimentary talk about Warren and Sanders and after they left I patted myself on the back for defusing some of the rhetoric about Crazy Bernie Bros and then realized I had been wearing this shirt the whole time:

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                            • #464
                              Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                              I'm not so sure about that. Biden got some pretty nifty endorsements last night. You can see a Cabinet starting to take shape if he wins. I'm hoping whoever the Democrat winner of the Presidency is they really lean on their Cabinet, and the people they put in charge to institute real change and get everything on track. I want to see a nation led by a group of people with big ideas and a group sense of purpose. Pretty much the polar opposite of what we have now.

                              And, yes, I think Bernie can do that too.
                              I'll have to dig it up but in maybe the South Carolina contest most of the new voters ended up voting Biden! Now that doesn't necessarily mean young people. More likely its former Republicans who've finally thrown in the towel after realizing their party is run by Nazis.

                              Couldn't tell you at this point which will vote in greater #'s - young 'uns for Sanders or old educated ex-Goopers for Uncle Joe. So far the evidence is mixed.
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                              • #465
                                Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                The only canvassers to visit my home this week were Warren's. Two very nice 20-something ladies and I had a nice polite and mutually complimentary talk about Warren and Sanders and after they left I patted myself on the back for defusing some of the rhetoric about Crazy Bernie Bros and then realized I had been wearing this shirt the whole time:

                                I think the fact that you weren't wearing pants was more disturbing than the decal on your shirt.
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