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  • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    The people who are mocking us are playing to the crowd whoop whoop, not trying to convert us. They have the (wrong) CW on their side so they don't need to proselytize; they just need to jeer and exclude.

    We, OTOH, have the new Gospel, and we need to spread The Word. That means getting people to listen, and that means making nice. So it's asymmetric. Life isn't fair. I'd rather be us, right and trying to help them, than them, trapped, and trying to grind us under foot to relieve their cognitive dissonance when cycle after cycle their CW fails.
    https://politics.theonion.com/he-s-a...1841583345/amp

    I know you don't believe this particular brand of Bernie Bro exists, but when it's prevalent enough for the Onion to satirize it, you really should believe us that it's a thing.

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    • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

      Originally posted by psych View Post
      Clinton didn’t even come close to matching Obama’s turnout in places that mattered for Democrats, and thus, the Sanders supporters who switched to Trump were enough to make the difference. I wondered aloud if this was going to matter as much this time around IF Sanders doesn’t win the nomination.
      Then it would be more accurate to ask whether we will run somebody who doesn't have Hillary's problems getting the vote out.
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      • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

        Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
        Imagine actually believing that Warren's campaign has been "Grass roots funded".
        Imagine having your staff go on national TV and compare you disclosing about your health to birtherism.
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        • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

          Originally posted by unofan View Post
          https://politics.theonion.com/he-s-a...1841583345/amp

          I know you don't believe this particular brand of Bernie Bro exists, but when it's prevalent enough for the Onion to satirize it, you really should believe us that it's a thing.
          I'm sure the Idiot Bernie Bros exist. But I think they are 1 in 50,000 -- i.e., the kind of idiot who opponents try to paint all supporters as.
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          • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            I'll bet I can find one poll where Sanders doesn't have the widest margin.* And even in those polls which show him as the best it's a fractional advantage.

            * Very first one I looked at: ABS News / WaPo 2/19:

            +7 Biden
            +6 Sanders

            NPR/PBS/Marist 2/18:

            +4 Bloomberg
            +3 Sanders

            NBC/WSJ 2/18:

            +6 Biden
            +4 Bloomberg
            +3 Sanders

            Quinnipiac 2/10:

            +9 Bloomberg
            +8 Sanders
            National polls are worse than useless. Running up huge numbers in New York and California isn't going to translate directly to the White House. We just saw this four years ago. The faster Democrats get this through their thick skulls the better we'll all be. Show me polls in the Midwest, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, Arizona, etc.
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            • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

              Originally posted by bronconick View Post
              national polls are worse than useless. Running up huge numbers in new york and california isn't going to translate directly to the white house. We just saw this four years ago. The faster democrats get this through their thick skulls the better we'll all be. Show me polls in the midwest, new hampshire, virginia, north carolina, arizona, etc.
              Oh FFS, the guy made a testable assertion and I refuted it. What do you want from me??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              I swear it's like people don't want to have reasoned discussions. They just want to shoot off their rhetoric gun.
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              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                I'm sure the Idiot Bernie Bros exist. But I think they are 1 in 50,000 -- i.e., the kind of idiot who opponents try to paint all supporters as.
                I think it's more like 1 in 50, myself. I recognize I have a limited sample size of about 5 full-on Bernie supporters in my acquaintance or better sphere, but 2 of them literally pull the "(other Democrat) is a (racist/fascist/cop)" based on who is polling well at the time or in the news the most.

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                • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  "All" is too strong. You and I have a theory. Handy et al. have a theory. Both are defensible and both are susceptible to attack. There's no really strong apples-to-oranges data so both sides can claim to be more credible.

                  That side is exaggerating and trying to mock and roll over us in large part because they can't get outside their programming which has put the party and country in the position we find them. Let's not play like them. We could be wrong. I would say we're about 70% likely to be right. If Sanders wins the nomination we'll find out, and that works for me.

                  You and I both understand if we continue on forever the way we're going we are giving our country to the Nazis. But they don't know, so don't act as if they know and are lying. They're just unconsciously riding the rails of a narrative written literally before they were born to stifle their imaginations. Our job is to help them free themselves, and nobody was ever seduced by derision, so stop playing that note.
                  Wait whats my theory? All I have said for sure is none of these candidates is anywhere close to a plurality and wont be any time soon. I have no idea who can beat Trump nor does anyone else because the field is still too watered down to get a clear number. I do find it funny many of the same Bernie people who attacked the polls in 2016 are using them as evidence now

                  I have theories about the bots but we wont know the truth about that for quite some time. I hope I am wrong.
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                  • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    Oh FFS, the guy made a testable assertion and I refuted it. What do you want from me??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    I swear it's like people don't want to have reasoned discussions. They just want to shoot off their rhetoric gun.
                    You're just realizing this now?

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                    • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      Imagine having your staff go on national TV and compare you disclosing about your health to birtherism.
                      If you idiots (both of you) keep at it we're gonna lose again, and you're going to look pretty clever continuing your preening match over the last sardine tin in the death camp.
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                      • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

                        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                        Imagine having your staff go on national TV and compare you disclosing about your health to birtherism.


                        Originally posted by bronconick View Post
                        National polls are worse than useless. Running up huge numbers in New York and California isn't going to translate directly to the White House. We just saw this four years ago. The faster Democrats get this through their thick skulls the better we'll all be. Show me polls in the Midwest, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, Arizona, etc.
                        Good thing we have polls of how they'd perform in swing states then in which Sanders fares even more favorably.

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                        • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          They just want to shoot off their rhetoric gun.
                          Well, the constitution states we have every right!
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                          • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

                            Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                            You think you're going to scare anyone with this "they'll say Bernie is a Socialist!" stuff? As if Faux "News" won't convince the cult Bloomberg is a disciple of Marx if he's the nominee. Anyone to the left of Sniffles is a Communist. Reagan wouldn't be welcome in the modern GOP.
                            Shouldnt you be out "Saving the Republic" so you can come back here and stroke your ego pretending you are a better citizen than us?
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                            • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

                              Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                              Wait whats my theory? All I have said for sure is none of these candidates is anywhere close to a plurality and wont be any time soon. I have no idea who can beat Trump nor does anyone else because the field is still too watered down to get a clear number. I do find it funny many of the same Bernie people who attacked the polls in 2016 are using them as evidence now

                              I have theories about the bots but we wont know the truth about that for quite some time. I hope I am wrong.
                              Your theory is a Centrist has the best chance of beating Dump. I'm sorry if I have misrepresented you. I was using you as a model Bloodthirsty Conservadem or whatever it is. I would also have accepted Rover.
                              Last edited by Kepler; 02-19-2020, 01:55 PM.
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                              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                Then it would be more accurate to ask whether we will run somebody who doesn't have Hillary's problems getting the vote out.
                                Maybe. I think Clinton was a unique candidate in a tragically awful way. I think history has shown that part of winning elections is nominating someone who doesn’t also activate the other side’s base. Clinton managed to drive turnout down amongst her own base and/or switched to voting third party, while also driving up turnout among Republicans. I don’t think Bloomberg or any other Democratic nominee would do the same, but obviously I could be wrong on that.

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