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  • #91
    Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

    Originally posted by BassAle View Post
    Mitch is still jerking off over Trumps court picks every night
    Danton found out what's at the end of that road. Mitch's only hope is withdraw his neck into his shell when the blade comes down.
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    • #92
      Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

      Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
      And sorry...i don't think your boy is the best chance and never has been.
      Literally all evidence points to you being wrong about this but it's not like facts and logic are your strong suit.

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      • #93
        Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

        Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
        Look, it's either Patron or sacrificing a chicken to clear the air after I vote for Bloomberg. What would you rather I do?
        Why not both? You can grill or fry the chicken post sacrifice...
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        • #94
          Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

          Originally posted by psych View Post
          Will the 1 in 10 Sanders supporters who voted Trump in 2016, thereby sealing the win for him in those key battleground states
          We had like 2.5/10 Hillary voters do this in 2008 and Obama still won by a lot proving once again that this narrative is stupid.

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          • #95
            Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

            Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
            Literally all evidence points to you being wrong about this but it's not like facts and logic are your strong suit.
            "All" is too strong. You and I have a theory. Handy et al. have a theory. Both are defensible and both are susceptible to attack. There's no really strong apples-to-oranges data so both sides can claim to be more credible.

            That side is exaggerating and trying to mock and roll over us in large part because they can't get outside their programming which has put the party and country in the position we find them. Let's not play like them. We could be wrong. I would say we're about 70% likely to be right. If Sanders wins the nomination we'll find out, and that works for me.

            You and I both understand if we continue on forever the way we're going we are giving our country to the Nazis. But they don't know, so don't act as if they know and are lying. They're just unconsciously riding the rails of a narrative written literally before they were born to stifle their imaginations. Our job is to help them free themselves, and nobody was ever seduced by derision, so stop playing that note.
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            • #96
              Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              "All" is too strong.
              All empirical evidence i.e. the polls that have showed this for about a year now.

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              • #97
                Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

                Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                All empirical evidence i.e. the polls that have showed this for about a year now.
                I'll bet I can find one poll where Sanders doesn't have the widest margin.* And even in those polls which show him as the best it's a fractional advantage.

                * Very first one I looked at: ABS News / WaPo 2/19:

                +7 Biden
                +6 Sanders

                NPR/PBS/Marist 2/18:

                +4 Bloomberg
                +3 Sanders

                NBC/WSJ 2/18:

                +6 Biden
                +4 Bloomberg
                +3 Sanders

                Quinnipiac 2/10:

                +9 Bloomberg
                +8 Sanders
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  "All" is too strong. You and I have a theory. Handy et al. have a theory. Both are defensible and both are susceptible to attack. There's no really strong apples-to-oranges data so both sides can claim to be more credible.

                  That side is exaggerating and trying to mock and roll over us in large part because they can't get outside their programming which has put the party and country in the position we find them. Let's not play like them. We could be wrong. I would say we're about 70% likely to be right. If Sanders wins the nomination we'll find out, and that works for me.

                  You and I both understand if we continue on forever the way we're going we are giving our country to the Nazis. But they don't know, so don't act as if they know and are lying. They're just unconsciously riding the rails of a narrative written literally before they were born to stifle their imaginations. Our job is to help them free themselves, and nobody was ever seduced by derision, so stop playing that note.
                  I’d argue we gave our country to the Nazis when Henry Ford, JP Morgan, Allen Dulles, John Foster Dulles, George Herbert Walker, Prescott Bush and Averill Harriman all got away with sedition and treason between 1934-1945. The downhill slide since then was “inevitable “ as Thanos would say.

                  Back to topic
                  If Sanders is not the nominee I think we’ll see yellow vests here stat and to be honest, that’s about 100 or so years late.
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                  • #99
                    Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

                    Of course you can find an outlier but the polling aggregates have showed that for a while now, not to mention the polls have clearly exaggerated Biden's chances.

                    As for your point about not deriding posters here, the post that literally started the exchange was somebody concern trolling about, "bUt bErNiE's nOt a dEmOcRaT", and I'm sorry but that's more than worthy of derision given what we're up against.

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                    • Originally posted by BassAle View Post
                      yeah, I'm not sure I'm buying the polling that shows him doing the best against Trump. He's going to get painted as a socialist boogieman and it turns out over half the voters have an unfavorable opinion of "socialism" (including some democrats and independents that we'll need to win)
                      You think you're going to scare anyone with this "they'll say Bernie is a Socialist!" stuff? As if Faux "News" won't convince the cult Bloomberg is a disciple of Marx if he's the nominee. Anyone to the left of Sniffles is a Communist. Reagan wouldn't be welcome in the modern GOP.

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                      • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

                        Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
                        I’d argue we gave our country to the Nazis when Henry Ford, JP Morgan, Allen Dulles, John Foster Dulles, George Herbert Walker, Prescott Bush and Averill Harriman all got away with sedition and treason between 1934-1945. The downhill slide since then was “inevitable “ as Thanos would say.

                        Back to topic
                        If Sanders is not the nominee I think we’ll see yellow vests here stat and to be honest, that’s about 100 or so years late.
                        It's never too late.

                        It's likely a good thing socialism didn't come to America in the 19th century because it was still in its infancy as a theory and it had a lot of serious problems. And Americans, as clever as we are at other things, are not good political innovators.

                        This way we got Europe to do our R&D for us and now in good American tradition we can steal their IP.
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                        • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

                          Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                          As for your point about not deriding posters here, the post that literally started the exchange was somebody concern trolling about, "bUt bErNiE's nOt a dEmOcRaT", and I'm sorry but that's more than worthy of derision given what we're up against.
                          The people who are mocking us are playing to the crowd whoop whoop, not trying to convert us. They have the (wrong) CW on their side so they don't need to proselytize; they just need to jeer and exclude.

                          We, OTOH, have the new Gospel, and we need to spread The Word. That means getting people to listen, and that means making nice. So it's asymmetric. Life isn't fair. I'd rather be us, right and trying to help them, than them, trapped, and trying to grind us under foot to relieve their cognitive dissonance when cycle after cycle their CW fails.
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                          • Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                            We had like 2.5/10 Hillary voters do this in 2008 and Obama still won by a lot proving once again that this narrative is stupid.
                            Narrative? It’s just numbers. There are a hundred reasons Clinton lost, including the one where Sanders supporters in key battleground states switched to Trump. It’s irrelevant that 25% of Clinton supporters voted McCain in 2008, as they were than eclipsed by the ridiculous turnout Obama managed to achieve. Clinton didn’t even come close to matching Obama’s turnout in places that mattered for Democrats, and thus, the Sanders supporters who switched to Trump were enough to make the difference. I wondered aloud if this was going to matter as much this time around IF Sanders doesn’t win the nomination.

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                            • Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

                              Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                              Of course you can find an outlier
                              4 of the first 5 polls I found put Sanders in 2nd or 3rd against Dump. I have included them below.
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                              • Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                                Literally all evidence points to you being wrong about this but it's not like facts and logic are your strong suit.
                                Your moral and mental superiority takes would be so much better if they weren't so covered in ****.
                                All you sound like is a petulant child.
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