Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

[Kepler]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

****ing Steyer has something like 15% in one of the latest SC polls.

That's so weird. Did he run ads 24/7 just there, or something?

I honestly have trouble remember he's even still running.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

That's so weird. Did he run ads 24/7 just there, or something?

I honestly have trouble remember he's even still running.

He has spent the most time there, yes. A lot of time.

[Kepler]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

He has spent the most time there, yes. A lot of time.

So this is like Rudy trying to win by winning FL.

[Handyman]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

When’s the right time for one of the country’s most powerful black men to endorse? He said in an interview the other day that he planned to endorse after the debate was completed.

I mean, s**t, his home state is about to vote. Seems kind of pointless to endorse someone after his state votes, yes?

That depends...is he endorsing Bernie?

And dont even try it Kepler you would be showing it as proof of greatness if he endorsed Warren and Bernie and everyone here knows it

[Rover]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

I wasn't "butthurt," I was saying Clyburn made a poor personal political choice for the future. If the machine is still in control he's fine. If there's a new sheriff in town he has no reason to alienate young Democratic voters in his state, particularly young black voters, who see the senescence of the Old DLC Way and are preparing to clear out the deadwood.

Political machines die because they ossify and never take change seriously. They work tirelessly to cool passions, defuse any call for reform, and spread fear or mockery of new ideas, because they like their spot at the top of the wheel. So they look absolutely impregnable until it all collapses at once. Clyburn didn't need to do anything -- he could have kept his options open. That was the smart move. Nobody back in DC had his nuts in a vice. This was an unforced error. By committing he identifies himself with the Clueless Olds, and that may not be a good place to be in the next few years.

Note the difference with Obama.

Clyburn is like 80 years old. I'm not sure he cares about his future standing with the Socialist Utopia Politburo.

[ticapnews]

Clyburn is like 80 years old. I'm not sure he cares about his future standing with the Socialist Utopia Politburo.

Only 80? He's got a good 10-15 years ahead of him in Congress.

[Kepler]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

Clyburn is like 80 years old. I'm not sure he cares about his future standing with the Socialist Utopia Politburo.

That makes him young for the Senate.

Edit: Sh-t, ticap beat me to it.

By the way, the initial phase will be called the Vanguard Transitional Politburo. We should all be so lucky to live until the withering of the state and the Socialist Utopia Orgy of All People At Least An 8.*



* It sounds better in the original German.**

** Actually, it doesn't. It's all one word and roughly translates to "precision engineered pleasure appliance unit with rechargeable battery."

[ticapnews]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

The concern can stop now. Nancy says she'd be fine if Bernie was top of the ticket.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...-top-of-ticket

[Slap Shot]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

so this is anecdotal, but I'm hearing lots of talk from democrat friends that they are concerned about Bernie in the general and they wish the moderates would consolidate around someone like Pete and they hope Warren stays in to draw support from Bernie.

I am hearing the same and I am also growing more skeptical that Bernie can win. Trump only alienates those that would never vote for him the first place. Republicans of all sorts will still vote for him to either own the libs or avoid that daggum communist from becoming President. Bernie? It goes further than that because you have those that would never vote for him (orcs), unlike the Republicans he's going to lose some moderate Democrats and I don't see him inspiring enough to get off their *** this time around to make up for the losses.

I'd vote for a turnip over Trump but there are plenty out there that don't see it that way.

[J.D.]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

so this is anecdotal, but I'm hearing lots of talk from democrat friends that they are concerned about Bernie in the general and they wish the moderates would consolidate around someone like Pete and they hope Warren stays in to draw support from Bernie.

Sounds the way I feel. Give me Mayor Pete over Bernie anyday.

Edit: I was intrigued by Bloomberg but he sabotaged himself by somehow not being prepared to debate basically anything.

[Kepler]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

That depends...is he endorsing Bernie?

And dont even try it Kepler you would be showing it as proof of greatness if he endorsed Warren and Bernie and everyone here knows it

If he endorsed the front runner, yeah, I would have nothing to say about that.

There may be a touch of Sanders Derangement Syndrome around here. I didn't think Clyburn made a poor decision because it was against my candidate, I thought it was a poor decision because it was for a dying candidate against the presumptive favorite.

If he wanted to make a splash and put the brakes on Sanders he had Buttigieg right there, desperate for black support. That's a deal worth cutting. Likewise if he just wanted to cash in he has Bloomberg. I'm certain he was approached. But the Biden endorsement is lame. It's throwing all your money into dirigibles after the Wright brothers flight.

[Kepler]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

I am hearing the same and I am also growing more skeptical that Bernie can win. Trump only alienates those that would never vote for him the first place. Republicans of all sorts will still vote for him to either own the libs or avoid that daggum communist from becoming President. Bernie? It goes further than that because you have those that would never vote for him (orcs), unlike the Republicans he's going to lose some moderate Democrats and I don't see him inspiring enough to get off their *** this time around to make up for the losses.

I'd vote for a turnip over Trump but there are plenty out there that don't see it that way.

For the record I think it's the exact opposite. Dump is so bad every Dem will be motivated to flush him, plus Sanders activates many people who are sick of the hypocrisy of politics and have been sitting it out for years. Also, Sanders competes directly with Dump with those who just wanted to give the establishment the middle finger.

So, Sanders loses nobody but picks up new voters and steals some of Dump's voters. It's a win/win/win.

I understand this won't necessarily convince people but I don't want to let the lazy narrative "always drive to the center" go unopposed. The Dems have been slavishly following that narrative for 40 years and it's f-cked the party, the people, and the nation.

[J.D.]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

Dump...so clever!

[Rover]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

I appreciate your optimism Kep! Not sure I share it, but if Sanders is the nominee you can fit me for one of those Fidel Castro hats and I'll wear it proudly.

For the record, I seriously doubt any Trump supporters turn around and vote Sanders with the exception of the Sanders people who voted for Chump last time out of spite. Which I've been told was a miniscule amount...up until now...hmmmm.

[Kepler]

Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.

For the record, I seriously doubt any Trump supporters turn around and vote Sanders with the exception of the Sanders people who voted for Chump last time out of spite. Which I've been told was a miniscule amount...up until now...hmmmm.

Thing is they weren't voting "out of spite." The Sanders/Dump voters are classic Disaffected Voters. This was their way of shooting up their post office. And so this time around they'll have two choices and we'll get about half of them -- we may get more than half because perversely Dump is now the establishment. And then next election they'll go back to voting for Vermin Supreme or, more likely, not voting at all.