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  • Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
    Liz and Biden are Melba toast at this point.

    If she's out by Michigan, I'm going with Bernie.
    I think Warren stays until Super Tuesday so she can run in Massachussets.
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      Originally posted by rufus View Post
      No, its perfect for him. Mayo Pete and Amy keep splitting the centrist vote, so no clear winner coming from the center, may do enough to prevent Bernie from running away with it, or even manage to pass him by, we end up nearing convention time with no clear consensus, and in sweeps Bloomberg and his billions as the great white savior of the party.
      It also leaves Bloomberg as the Designated Serious White Male to run against:

      + the gay kid
      + the socialist
      + chicks

      I agree; this was his best possible scenario.
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        Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
        I think Warren stays until Super Tuesday so she can run in Massachussets.
        Biden stays all the way, he's got nowhere else to go.

        Warren, I hope, wins in MA and then hangs em up and gives a 100% endorsement to Sanders.
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          Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
          I will say this about Bloomberg. He has good television ads.
          But they don't have to be about him. Then frustrating thing is he's running a vanity campaign when he could be using all that money for good. He could back our nominee and in the meantime just destroy Dump. I'm sure his taxes are always on audit too, so release them. Taunt Dump in his insecure ego that he's a real billionaire.
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          • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

            Deval Patrick is ending his campaign. Not that any of us remembered he was running.
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              Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
              walk hmong the locals?!?!
              Them and the Somalis aren't eating any "tater tot hotdish", that's for sure.

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                Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
                Liz and Biden are Melba toast at this point.

                If she's out by Michigan, I'm going with Bernie.
                I might have to also. Hanging onto my mail-in ballot for a couple more weeks. I'll be skiing in Alberta during the actual MI primary.

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                  Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                  Deval Patrick is ending his campaign. Not that any of us remembered he was running.
                  Many are called but few are chosen.
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                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    But they don't have to be about him. Then frustrating thing is he's running a vanity campaign when he could be using all that money for good. He could back our nominee and in the meantime just destroy Dump. I'm sure his taxes are always on audit too, so release them. Taunt Dump in his insecure ego that he's a real billionaire.
                    He's already doing that. When asked about how people would feel if two billionaires were running in the general election, he replied "who's the other billionaire?"

                    He's also asking potential donors to not give to him but instead give to the party.

                    Mind you I am NOT on board with Bloomberg. But he's running less of a vanity campaign than I would have expected. Whether he closes ranks with the eventual nominee though remains to be seen.
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                    • Originally posted by Rover View Post
                      Those articles are a lot of wonky BS with no practical application in the real world.

                      The problem with appealing to the so-called disillusioned voter who now favors Chump is racism which was not covered nearly enough in either piece. People who vote Trump or Le Pen or whoever are not driven by policy choices or economic issues. They simply want to stick it to people who are different from them. Its not any more complicated than that. Too many professors and economists and think tank denizens want to believe that 45% of this country are not in fact racists. I didn't want to believe that before 2016. But they are. While its underreported on purpose by the media in their quest to make Republicans look not so bad, I read a piece recently about a gun show in Michigan where they were selling Nazi memorabilia. Regardless of your conservatism or love of Trump, on what planet is that acceptable unless your racism goes far deeper than your political ideology?

                      We've had this discussion before and we'll have it again I'm sure. Trump voters may completely agree with Sanders on trade. They may like the idea M4A and UBI. BUT, unless Sanders decides to start blaming non-whites for all of society's ills, these voters will not vote for him over Chump. Its a sad reality, but it is what it is. The GOP is the party of open and proud white supremacism. The sooner Dems start realizing that and unify around whoever wins the nomination because the difference between Sanders and Bloomberg for example doesn't matter, the better off they're going to be.

                      They also might want to update the part about Jeremy Corbyn as an example of winning progressivism. Did anybody see the results of the last election in the UK?
                      Disagree. Trump didn’t win Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania is due to inherent racism in voters. He won because Hillary refused to campaign in those states by and large, he ran on anti-Nafta which gets some middle road union people on his side etc.

                      As for centrism vs socialism. If you run on who you are (like Bernie) without fear of anything (like RFK “there are a lot of guns between me and the White House” but he had moral courage and ran the gauntlet for country) and take your argument straight to the people there’s every chance you can win as a socialist. There are a TON of republican voters whose brains are in a torpor who would agree with Bernie/FDR/JFK/RFK economic policy and we witnessed that at the Fox News town hall with Bernie. He had that audience on his side by the end.
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                      • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                        Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                        Deval Patrick is ending his campaign. Not that any of us remembered he was running.
                        W T F was he thinking? Mediocre governor running an invisible campaign.
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                          Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
                          Disagree. Trump didn’t win Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania is due to inherent racism in voters. He won because Hillary refused to campaign in those states by and large, he ran on anti-Nafta which gets some middle road union people on his side etc.

                          As for centrism vs socialism. If you run on who you are (like Bernie) without fear of anything (like RFK “there are a lot of guns between me and the White House” but he had moral courage and ran the gauntlet for country) and take your argument straight to the people there’s every chance you can win as a socialist. There are a TON of republican voters whose brains are in a torpor who would agree with Bernie/FDR/JFK/RFK economic policy and we witnessed that at the Fox News town hall with Bernie. He had that audience on his side by the end.
                          You're talking about two separate voters. Voters who sat out the election vs Trump Humpers. The Humpers are racists. The ones who sat out made a mistake.

                          I already covered your 2nd point, but will reiterate. Republican voters may very well agree with Sanders, etc on economic issues (go back and read my post), but they aren't going to vote for him because racism drives the bus. Every time for Republicans.
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                          • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                            Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                            People who think MN is lilly-white haven't spent any time in the City of Minneapolis proper.
                            There's a chart for that.

                            Minneapolis ranks 46th in racial diversity of the 66 cities listed, between St. Louis and Nashville.

                            Most diverse:

                            1. Stockton, CA
                            2. Oakland, CA
                            3. Sacramento, CA
                            4. New York, NY
                            5. Long Beach, CA

                            Least diverse:

                            66. El Paso, TX
                            65. Detroit MI
                            64. Lexington, KY
                            63. Portland, OR (somehow not 66th)
                            62. Louisville, KY
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                              https://youtu.be/CJFXSSYOwsA
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                                Don't click that link, unless you want conspiracy crapola in your YouTube "Suggestions" feed for the next month.

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