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  • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

    Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
    We haven't hit the moment yet of no return yet, but the possibility grows stronger each day. I've seen a couple here argue that everything's OK because this is American and we've survived horrible and corrupt leaders before. None of those leaders were fascists. trump has been behaving like one nearly every day he has been president. His road was already partially paved by 40 or more years of the office becoming more and more imperial with every new president.
    This is probably the biggest issue with Hovey's logic, basically it's not really a concern that Trump/Barr are trying to (further) destroy democracy because the courts might save us.

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    • Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
      He's the one who told me not to panic about Obergefell or the LGBT cases in front of the Supreme Court. He should read this and imagine it happening to him; yes, I wrote this.
      Who ****ed in your Cheerios this morning?

      Jesus christ, all I did was mention the fact that the right wing nut jobs like Limbaugh are now directly attacking Pete for his sexual orientation. You know, the guy I support and caucused for.

      Now I'm somehow the bad guy.
      Last edited by unofan; 02-14-2020, 01:47 PM.

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      • Originally posted by unofan View Post
        Who ****ed in your Cheerios this morning?

        Jesus christ, all I did was mention the fact that the right wing nut jobs like Limbaugh are now directly attacking Pete for his sexual orientation. You know, the guy I support and caucused for.

        Now I'm somehow the bad guy.
        Pretty sure her comment, like mine, was in no way directed towards you. I didn’t quote and was the post after yours so may have been confusing. I was referring to Hovey and his repeated commentary that nothing real bad is gonna happen

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        • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

          You can just feel the love out here!

          I blame Scooby.
          Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

          Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

          "I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."

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          • Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
            Pretty sure her comment, like mine, was in no way directed towards you. I didn’t quote and was the post after yours so may have been confusing. I was referring to Hovey and his repeated commentary that nothing real bad is gonna happen
            If that's the case, then I apologize. But as one of the Board's resident attorneys who has often urged people to take deep breaths when talking about court cases, I couldn't help but think Amber's comment was directed at me.

            If that wasn't the case, again, I apologize.

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            • Originally posted by unofan View Post
              If that's the case, then I apologize. But as one of the Board's resident attorneys who has often urged people to take deep breaths when talking about court cases, I couldn't help but think Amber's comment was directed at me.

              If that wasn't the case, again, I apologize.
              First, kill all the lawyers


              a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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              • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                Originally posted by Rover View Post
                You can just feel the love out here!

                I blame Scooby.
                Me too. That ****ing *******.
                **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                  No words https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...sts-fundraiser
                  Originally posted by BobbyBrady
                  Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year

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                  • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                    Everyone has a purity challenge. What I appreciate is the Democratic candidates still push back a little. Republicans have succumbed to whatever purity is applied to them.
                    **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                    Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                    Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                    • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                      You're left without words at the actions of two people or the crowd that booed them down?

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                      • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                        Originally posted by burd View Post
                        You're left without words at the actions of two people or the crowd that booed them down?
                        Well consider who it is.

                        Cornell '04, Stanford '06


                        KDR

                        Rover Frenchy, Classic! Great post.
                        iwh30 I wish I could be as smart as you. I really do you are the man
                        gregg729 I just saw your sig, you do love having people revel in your "intelligence."
                        Ritt18 you are the perfect representation of your alma mater.
                        Miss Thundercat That's it, you win.
                        TBA#2 I want to kill you and dance in your blood.
                        DisplacedCornellian Hahaha. Thread over. Frenchy wins.

                        Test to see if I can add this.

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                        • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                          I recommend reading They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-1945 which chronicles the lives of 12 ordinary German citizens through that 12 year period. It is difficult to find in print still (there are copies on Amazon) but you can also see if your public (evil, Socialist) library has it.

                          A few pertinent entries:

                          To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.
                          "You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' Why not? - Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

                          "Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, everyone is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, 'It's not so bad' or 'You're seeing things' or 'You're an alarmist.'

                          "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can't prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic.
                          "But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked - if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in '43 had come immediately after the 'German Firm' stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in '33. But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

                          "And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying 'Jew swine,' collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in - your nation, your people - is not the world you were in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God."
                          For those who say 'it can't happen here' (you don't have to leave the country to see concentration camps) or 'our systems will save us' consider that Germany, not America, was the heart of culture in the beginning of the 20th Century. They had a Constitution, they had elections, impartial courts of law, a vibrant media, a solid middle class and the top artists and scientists of the day. All the familiar trappings of modern civilization. The Nazis did not rise through a coup (they tried in 1923 and failed) but through legal means such as elections and political dealings.

                          What step do you presume we're at now? What step is too far for you? Or do you perceive that things today are the same as they were in 2016?

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                          • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                            Originally posted by ticapnews View Post

                            What step do you presume we're at now? What step is too far for you? Or do you perceive that things today are the same as they were in 2016?
                            Hitler came to power in January 1933. In his first two months he succeeded in getting the Enabling Act passed, which was basically an amendment to the Constitution of theirs that you referenced, and gave Hitler and his cabinet authority to enact whatever law they wanted without the legislature.

                            In those same initial two months in power, Hitler then issued the Reichstag Fire Decree which suspended most civil liberties, including habeas corpus, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly and any restrictions on warrants, searches and seizures.

                            IIRC, in his first two months Trump was still trying to convince everyone that the most people ever attended his inauguration.

                            By the end of year two, Hitler had already started rounding up thousands of military and political leaders who opposed him and having them imprisoned or shot. His plan to exterminate millions of Jews was well underway at the concentration camps that had been constructed.

                            I think Trump was thinking up insulting nicknames for Nancy Pelosi, wasn't he?

                            By year five Hitler was already on his way to invading neighboring countries. I guess Manitoba and the rest of Canada will have to await their fate following November's election.
                            That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                            • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                              Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                              Hitler came to power in January 1933. In his first two months he succeeded in getting the Enabling Act passed, which was basically an amendment to the Constitution of theirs that you referenced, and gave Hitler and his cabinet authority to enact whatever law they wanted without the legislature.

                              In those same initial two months in power, Hitler then issued the Reichstag Fire Decree which suspended most civil liberties, including habeas corpus, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly and any restrictions on warrants, searches and seizures.

                              IIRC, in his first two months Trump was still trying to convince everyone that the most people ever attended his inauguration.

                              By the end of year two, Hitler had already started rounding up thousands of military and political leaders who opposed him and having them imprisoned or shot. His plan to exterminate millions of Jews was well underway at the concentration camps that had been constructed.

                              I think Trump was thinking up insulting nicknames for Nancy Pelosi, wasn't he?

                              By year five Hitler was already on his way to invading neighboring countries. I guess Manitoba and the rest of Canada will have to await their fate following November's election.
                              "Stop worrying, that will never happen here."

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                              • Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                                Hitler came to power in January 1933. In his first two months he succeeded in getting the Enabling Act passed, which was basically an amendment to the Constitution of theirs that you referenced, and gave Hitler and his cabinet authority to enact whatever law they wanted without the legislature.

                                In those same initial two months in power, Hitler then issued the Reichstag Fire Decree which suspended most civil liberties, including habeas corpus, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly and any restrictions on warrants, searches and seizures.

                                IIRC, in his first two months Trump was still trying to convince everyone that the most people ever attended his inauguration.

                                By the end of year two, Hitler had already started rounding up thousands of military and political leaders who opposed him and having them imprisoned or shot. His plan to exterminate millions of Jews was well underway at the concentration camps that had been constructed.

                                I think Trump was thinking up insulting nicknames for Nancy Pelosi, wasn't he?

                                By year five Hitler was already on his way to invading neighboring countries. I guess Manitoba and the rest of Canada will have to await their fate following November's election.
                                Here is something I wrote a while ago. Submitted for your consideration.
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