Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

[Kepler]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

You guys have all bought into this nazi/orc/deplorable/racist b.s. hook, line and sinker, such that you are going to end up with four more years of him if you're not careful.

Let's forget the labels. What do you think of this? Do you think this is normal?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Let's forget the labels. What do you think of this? Do you think this is normal?

Given Trump’s record of defiance, Barr’s maneuver is predictable—but it is a shocking break with more than 200 years of constitutional and legal precedent.

I have no idea what Hovey will consider normal but the article states pretty clearly that it is not. But, I guess I have to realize that we are living in a post facts World.

[rufus]

Let's forget the labels. What do you think of this? Do you think this is normal?

Just a little disagreement over political philosophy.

Nothing dangerous or harmful about it. We'll get past it.

[SJHovey]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Let's forget the labels. What do you think of this? Do you think this is normal?

I would think it's certainly not normal. I expect most appeals courts, either at the federal or state level, when they send a decision back to a lower court or to an agency that made the original decision, expect that their ruling will be complied with or followed.

I won't say it's never happened before. I'm almost certain that with enough digging you could find some pretty harshly worded decisions by appeals judges frustrated that their instructions to the trier of fact below were either ignored, misunderstood or misapplied.

But no, I certainly don't think it's normal.

[Scarlet]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

I respect your opinion and your values, but let me ask you this. Is there any reasonably likely (say, > 5%) set of circumstances under which Bernie would be a more dangerous president than Dump? I completely get that his ideology and his (my) preferred policies revolt you. But those policies still lie within the boundaries of democratric government and rule of law. My appeal to you is that no matter how "wrong headed" you think him, Bernie will not end democracy or the world. And Dump actually could.

Seconded.

[mookie1995]

Gotta disagree here. You have to call things as you see them. From what I've read Nazi gatherings were enthusiastic as well and although I'm not sure how polite the individuals were at those things, the parallels here are uncanny.

Trump is a showman and a very good one. The question for voters is this - do you value that over putting kids in cages, extorting allies in their fights with enemies to aid your re-election, have the Justice Dept investigate rivals but go easy on your political henchmen, etc etc. If you do value that more, then yes you're in the cult. Now is the time to get serious and choose sides. If you're more interested in the spectacle instead of the KKK rhetoric and actions then you're part of the problem and most likely a future victim of an internet scam or two.

No. You have to call things tongrt elected. Otherwise you are sittinhbin your upper west side apartment wondering how Nixon got elected cause everyone you know voted for mcgovern

[Slap Shot]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

I personally don't think either Bernie or Trump are "dangerous."

https://www.ft.com/content/3749175a-...0-43d18ec715f5
https://time.com/5777578/trumps-acqu...-constitution/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/04...nsc-dangerous/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ther-big-test/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...tified/606133/

Meh right?

[trixR4kids]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

You guys have all bought into this nazi/orc/deplorable/racist b.s. hook, line and sinker, such that you are going to end up with four more years of him if you're not careful.

Anybody who still supports the guy is ok with him referring to the nazis in Charlottesville as "fine people" or at best are willing to overlook or make excuses for it. So that characterization isn't exactly inaccurate, not to even get into their various inhumane policies.

[rufus]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Anybody who still supports the guy is ok with him referring to the nazis in Charlottesville as "fine people" or at best are willing to overlook or make excuses for it. So that characterization isn't exactly inaccurate, not to even get into their various inhumane policies.

This. They may not be white supremacists or Nazis themselves, but being aligned with or lumped in with them isn't a deal-breaker, either.

Me personally, I don't want to be in any group that includes prominent numbers of white supremacists. No matter what might be in it for me.

[Handyman]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

I am a White Suburbanite Middle Class Straight Male...I literally couldn't benefit more from this administration. (even the Jew part doesnt hurt...for now) Basic logic though, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

[SJHovey]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

https://www.ft.com/content/3749175a-...0-43d18ec715f5
https://time.com/5777578/trumps-acqu...-constitution/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/04...nsc-dangerous/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ther-big-test/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...tified/606133/

Meh right?

Are there people calling him "dangerous," including those looking to sell newspapers or magazines, or draw clicks to websites? Sure.

Are there people who disagree with my opinion? Sure.

It doesn't mean I'm wrong. It doesn't mean I'm right. It's just my opinion.

[Kepler]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Are there people calling him "dangerous," including those looking to sell newspapers or magazines, or draw clicks to websites? Sure.

Lemme guess. You think climate scientists are on the take, right?

We are seeing 30's Germany in real time and this is how it happens. We know the same conversations were going on back then, too. People haven't changed in 900 years so they certainly haven't in 90.

[Rover]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Are there people calling him "dangerous," including those looking to sell newspapers or magazines, or draw clicks to websites? Sure.

Are there people who disagree with my opinion? Sure.

It doesn't mean I'm wrong. It doesn't mean I'm right. It's just my opinion.

If you want to be nice to and pal around with Nazis and their sympathizers be my guest. However count me out of the camp that Chump is invincible. Its not about winning over his supporters. That's a waste of time.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

You guys have all bought into this nazi/orc/deplorable/racist b.s. hook, line and sinker, such that you are going to end up with four more years of him if you're not careful.

He's getting re-elected. It's the economy, dumbarse.

[SJHovey]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Lemme guess. You think climate scientists are on the take, right?

We are seeing 30's Germany in real time and this is how it happens. We know the same conversations were going on back then, too. People haven't changed in 900 years so they certainly haven't in 90.

I think climate change is real.