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  • #556
    Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

    Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
    Does anyone have a site they like for results? CNN consistently had one of the top ones, but their new redesign is awful.
    NYT is good but paywall crap. 538 is doing live blogging.
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    • #557
      Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      NYT is good but paywall crap. 538 is doing live blogging.
      Yeah, NYT is good until the script stops autoupdating and all of a sudden you've used your free articles on refreshing the page.
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      • #558
        Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

        NYT update, 68% of precincts reporting:

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        Candidate	        Votes	 Pct.     Pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders          49,176	26.2%           6
Pete Buttigieg          44,870	23.9	        6
Amy Klobuchar           37,314	19.8	        4
Elizabeth Warren        17,535	 9.3	        0
Joseph R. Biden         15,651	 8.3	        0
Others                  23,504	12.5	        0
        Warren's dead. Biden's dead but doesn't know it. It's a four horse race now: Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Bloomberg's money.
        Last edited by Kepler; 02-11-2020, 09:45 PM.
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        • #559
          Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

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          • #560
            Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
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            Looks like Dartmouth (Hanover) went to Pete by 300 votes (6%). Had a narrowish Sanders win last go around.

            UNH (Durham) still has to report. Went majorly to Bernie in 2016.
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            • #561
              Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              NYT update, 68% of precincts reporting:

              Code:
              Candidate	        Votes	 Pct.     Pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders          49,176	26.2%           6
Pete Buttigieg          44,870	23.9	        6
Amy Klobuchar           37,314	19.8	        4
Elizabeth Warren        17,535	 9.3	        0
Joseph R. Biden         15,651	 8.3	        0
Others                  23,504	12.5	        0
              Warren's dead. Biden's dead but doesn't know it. It's a four horse race now: Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Bloomberg's money.
              Pretty much.
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              • #562
                Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                Amy and Pete are doing way better than I ever thought. Pete is gonna get quite the job in the Sanders cabinet.
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                • #563
                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  The target is the people around the edges who don't vote because the process leaves them out. Not some mythical "middle ground" arena. The Dems run to the center and lose. The GOP runs to the fringe and wins. That's the political history of the United States for the last forty years.
                  Where does this 40-year retrospective place the 2 biggest-tent and most successful presidents (Bill & Barry)? I don’t remember thinking of them as fringy extremists... but I don’t trust my memory of the campaigns either. My hunch is that they were more like Amy - inspiringly optimistic moderates.
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                  • #564
                    Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                    To put Biden's collapse in perspective, he is more than twice as far behind Klobuchar in 3rd than he is ahead of Gabbard in 8th.
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                    • #565
                      Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                      Originally posted by geezer View Post
                      Where does this 40-year retrospective place the 2 biggest-tent and most successful presidents (Bill & Barry)? I don’t remember thinking of them as fringy extremists... but I don’t trust my memory of the campaigns either. My hunch is that they were more like Amy - inspiringly optimistic moderates.
                      They both ran as liberals. They both governed as centrists, disappointing and alienating that support and pushing it right back onto the sidelines.
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                      • #566
                        Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                        I think whoever wins the nom should run on the slogan “Make America Great Again.” Printt it on a billion blue hats. Voice it in ads showing an obese orange man being locked up in prison. Etc. Trump would die of rage by September.
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                        • #567
                          Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          The Dems run to the center and lose. The GOP runs to the fringe and wins. That's the political history of the United States for the last forty years.
                          Do you mean that the Ds run to center voters with center candidates (BC and BO) and the Rs run to fringe voters with center candidates (Reagan and Bushes)?

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                          • #568
                            Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                            Originally posted by rufus View Post
                            Fine. But are they gonna vote? And librul bastions? Really representative sampling you got going on there.
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                            Austin has some Latinx and a few blacks, but otherwise yeah, it's white.

                            Seattle, Princeton - I've got nothing there.

                            I came home from Austin today, and was driven to the airport by an old Vietnam conscientious objector who, after giving me a mini-lecture in progressive politics and his path from former sexist conservative Marine to war-hating Marxist prog, informed me I need to stop making fun of "Trumpsters" and calling them sister-******** hicks.

                            IDK if I fully agree, because I didn't get a chance to tell him about my cultist relatives on the 25 min ride to the airport, but there may be some truth to what he said when it comes to rural folks who are 35 or under.

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                            • #569
                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              They both ran as liberals. They both governed as centrists, disappointing and alienating that support and pushing it right back onto the sidelines.
                              Did they lose support in reelection? The support having been sidelined? Or did it take until term 2 to become that disappointed?
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                              • #570
                                Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

                                Originally posted by burd View Post
                                Do you mean that the Ds run to center voters with center candidates (BC and BO) and the Rs run to fringe voters with center candidates (Reagan and Bushes)?
                                Reagan was a genuine radical -- really the only radical president the US has had since Andrew Jackson. (FDR and LBJ were forced into radical policy by events.) The Bushes were centrists, although Cheney then pushed the US into a radical (and disastrous) foreign policy.

                                Clinton stressed traditional liberal themes to get elected but was a centrist. Obama was, I think a sincere liberal who was then warped and forced by circumstances into an ill-considered and naive centrism. I don't think he meant to hoodwink us, though he did.

                                But the main point is the GOP understand that to win you lay out a straightforward and aggressive agenda and the way to do that is to stress your radical ideological themes. The Dems are still neutered and follow the mantra that we can't scare Americans who are terror-stricken by the thought of any economic change, even though every time a renegade Dem candidate who gives voice to radical proposals gets highly animated and energetic support. The Dems act as if they are a Left party that is captured by TPTB who want to make sure we have a continual death march of growing inequality and tax holidays for the rich.
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