POTUS: It Can Happen Here Again

[Kepler]

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back to the message... rover is so slow. al bundy stole the nazi label and applied it to his 'feminazi' tshirt 30 years ago. for 3/4 of the population nazi's are dems. they confused enough already, so please try to be original

This is sadly true. After all NASDAP has "Socialist" right in the title.

[dxmnkd316]

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You think that’s what it’s about? It’s about someone’s paycheck and their take home. That’s it.

If you wanna know why Republicans win it’s because they have clean, simple answers to the questions that revolve around this:

“Why did take my home go up?” “We lowered your taxes.”
“Why did my take home go down?” “Democrats raised your taxes.”
“Where’d the money go?” “Freeloading blacks and illegal immigrants.”
“Why don’t I have a paycheck?” “Illegal immigrants and excessive regulations put in by the Democrats.”

Democrats rarely ever have clean answers to these. Mostly because the base is folks like Rover who can’t understand this and groups that are large in the Primary but tiny in the General that must be appeased.

That’s kind of my point. They don’t care about Roth IRAs because they only know what’s on their take home. So yeah, that’s EXACTLY what it’s about.

[Drew S.]

Not a single conservative poster here has the balls to say any of this is wrong. Ball less and spine less, like their elected pols

None of this would be happening if Pelosi and the Dems didn’t impeach Trump. Of course she doesn’t get blamed at all.

[mookie1995]

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You think that’s what it’s about? It’s about someone’s paycheck and their take home. That’s it.

If you wanna know why Republicans win it’s because they have clean, simple answers to the questions that revolve around this:

“Why did take my home go up?” “We lowered your taxes.”
“Why did my take home go down?” “Democrats raised your taxes.”
“Where’d the money go?” “Freeloading blacks and illegal immigrants.”
“Why don’t I have a paycheck?” “Illegal immigrants and excessive regulations put in by the Democrats.”

Democrats rarely ever have clean answers to these. Mostly because the base is folks like Rover who can’t understand this and groups that are large in the Primary but tiny in the General that must be appeased.

no kidding.

this is where bush 2 beat algore in the debate.
some broad stood up and asked each how their tax cuts would help her.
bush said in 30 seconds "if you make XX, you will take home an extra YY for you to spend"
algore goes on "there will be an education credit for you. a solar credit. blah blah blah"
--this woman has kids and responsibilities. she ain't going to school. she aint shelling out to put a dam solar roof on her home.

don't social through taxes. tax those who can pay it without blinking a friggin eye like rover. and let the schmo spend their money and keep the economy plugging along and die broke.

certainly NOT rocket science.

[Kepler]

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Mostly because the base is folks like Rover who can’t understand this

Rover's a dink but I think he understands this perfectly well.

I'm going to suggest something that is sacrilegious. The CW is that Dems are intelligent and so we realize complex questions involve complex analysis, and then we lose the morons in the electorate who need everything dumbed down. And on the face of it that sure seems reasonable. However, Bill Clinton and Obama both provided nuanced answers to questions and they were both wildly popular, so my suggestion is stop worrying about that and just find THE MOST CHARISMATIC CANDIDATE you possibly can and run them. F-cking run Oprah. After 75 years of teevee the electorate is so childish it only responds to personality, so give them personality.

[SJHovey]

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Hovey's response was inadequate and completely failed to address the point. The point was none of the boards conservatives have the moral courage to say that the what the senate Rs are doing is wrong. Hovey simply confirmed that by giving them all a pass.

I don't think of the question as one in which there is a "right" answer or a "wrong" answer. Instead, the question for me, and everyone else, is what do I want my Senators to do?

Think of it this way. Let's say the Senate is debating a bill to require a license before you can own a gun. I don't think there is any "right" or "wrong" answer that will be reached by the Senate. It's a political decision. I may have a preference as to which way my Senators vote, and their vote might cause me to change my mind as to whether I support them in the next election, but whatever way they vote it isn't going to be "right" or "wrong."

In this case my two Senators (who both happen to be D's), will be asked to vote with the rest of them on the issue of impeachment, and perhaps other issues that come before the Senate on the topic. Will their votes on this topic impact whether I decide to vote for them again? No. But for others it might.

[Kepler]

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None of this would be happening if Pelosi and the Dems didn’t impeach Trump. Of course she doesn’t get blamed at all.

If we didn't prosecute crimes think of all the money we'd save on courts.

[RaceBoarder]

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You think that’s what it’s about? It’s about someone’s paycheck and their take home. That’s it.

If you wanna know why Republicans win it’s because they have clean, simple answers to the questions that revolve around this:

“Why did take my home go up?” “We lowered your taxes.”
“Why did my take home go down?” “Democrats raised your taxes.”
“Where’d the money go?” “Freeloading blacks and illegal immigrants.”
“Why don’t I have a paycheck?” “Illegal immigrants and excessive regulations put in by the Democrats.”

Democrats rarely ever have clean answers to these. Mostly because the base is folks like Rover who can’t understand this and groups that are large in the Primary but tiny in the General that must be appeased.

This.... "Tax" is a dirty word to people with less than say 8 paychecks in savings at any given time. You may call them "dumb", but they do realize that without that paycheck, they are done. They know that they have to get all that they can out of that statement every two weeks. Many of them truly believe that they don't use any tax funded programs (SNAP, SS), but also don't realize that Medicare/Medicaid is tax funded (until they need it). So they view it as paying into something they will never claim.

[Rover]

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You people are wasting your time trying to debate tax rate levels. Nobody cares or votes because of it. Joe Dumbazz is going to hear that he's paying no taxes on his 75K, and then he's going to open his paycheck and see SoS/Medicare and state taxes being deducted and will then conclude that "Fukin Dems Lied to Me". You're thinking you can reason with people who don't want to be reasoned to. You can't, so stop trying. What does "wealth" mean? Your bank account, sure, but your house value? Car value? Kids college fund? Your 401K or pension?

Once you're explaining, you're losing.

[jerphisch]

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I don't think of the question as one in which there is a "right" answer or a "wrong" answer. Instead, the question for me, and everyone else, is what do I want my Senators to do?

Think of it this way. Let's say the Senate is debating a bill to require a license before you can own a gun. I don't think there is any "right" or "wrong" answer that will be reached by the Senate. It's a political decision. I may have a preference as to which way my Senators vote, and their vote might cause me to change my mind as to whether I support them in the next election, but whatever way they vote it isn't going to be "right" or "wrong."

In this case my two Senators (who both happen to be D's), will be asked to vote with the rest of them on the issue of impeachment, and perhaps other issues that come before the Senate on the topic. Will their votes on this topic impact whether I decide to vote for them again? No. But for others it might.

Again, you are daintily beating around the bush of implying that the "right" thing for Senators to do would be to vote the desires of their constituents. Polling suggests that they are ignoring their constituents when it comes to calling witnesses. So you're still coming down on the wrong side of your own position in order to defend them.

[mookie1995]

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Once you're explaining, you're losing.

then come up with a better opening line. cause nazi ain't gonna get er done

[French Rage]

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None of this would be happening if Pelosi and the Dems didn’t impeach Trump. Of course she doesn’t get blamed at all.

Wow, it's impressive how you inadvertently prove their point.

[Rover]

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then come up with a better opening line. cause nazi ain't gonna get er done

Sure mookie. Pick your poison. I'll give you one example:

"Medicare should be extended from age 50 onwards. That's when people could really use it because layoffs happen a lot between this age and 65. I propose doing this and paying for it with an extra tax surcharge on anyone making over 1M a year."

So, what have I done here? First, I'm pitting the GOP voters against GOP donors. Older Americans are more likely to vote GOP. This policy would benefit them directly (amongst others) at the expense of millionaires. Let them tear each other apart over this. Next, instead of debating arcane tax policy and what income qualifies, I'm using a nice, shiny, whole number that everyone recognizes. One million bucks. Many people think they're in the top tax bracket because they don't understand it. Few people who aren't making 1M a year think that they are. Maybe the people in the 950-999K bracket have a right to be concerned but you can't please everyone.

Follow the same rules for anything else. Stop screwing around with brackets and start talking actual dollars.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Mondale noted this about Reagan and that worked really well.

(snip)

The American public is innumerate.

"Have I got mine? Yes? Good, then fck you and fck yours."

[Kepler]

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Friend of mine who voted for Dump (smart guy, went to Penn, econ major and now an attorney, should have known better) is having a conniption fit on Dump reneging on his pledge not to get us deeper into the Forever War. Here's my response to him:

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Dump is, in addition to textbook NPD, a classic authoritarian goober. Mango Mussolini loves troop parades and threatening state violence both externally and internally to cow the cuck media and win the love of people who have equated leadership with bullying since third grade. This was inevitable. The fact that you let yourself be deluded that he was some sort of Rothbardian pacifist who wouldn't deploy the troops because it violates the NAP has always been perverse.

Dump's support is based on:

1. The autonomic reflex of pulling the lever for R (80%)

2. People who want to give the establishment the finger who were too dim to understand that a fraudulent billionaire teevee personality who grifts a Potemkin image and delivers zero value is the very essence of the establishment (10%)

3. People so racist they couldn't even stomach McCain's black baby or Romney since Mormons are maybe the anti-Christ, and who recognized themselves in a guy who would repeal 13A if it picked up votes (10%)

If you want somebody to end the Forever War you've got Bernie and sweeeeeeeeeeeet f-ck all. The GOP is built on MIC gold. When Dems go to Bilderburg at least they sneak in. The GOP rides in on stallions blowing trumpets. They are hawkish in Aristotelian essence.

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I'm hoping that he may vote D in 2020 for the first time since the 80s (he HATED the Clintons and then was third party during Cheney)