2019-20 pwr

[NorthernBlight]

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See, I see that as above, so I'm a little terminology challenged here

Also, collegehockeystats shows Endicot and UNE tied with 34 pts in the CCC. and the conference homepage shows Endicot with 36 points and UNE with 32 points. Seems like collegehockeystats isn't on the same page as the people who put the standings up on the CCAthletics hockey home page. When you click on standings, it goes to collegehockeystats. So to paraphrase Abbot and Costello "who's IN first?"

And one final point (testing my understanding of the process as it now exists). Wouldn't Adrian be the #3 West seed and Hobart be the #4 East seed? In the old process the better regional seed would host a game between teams from different regions.

There are no regional seeds. If you can't understand the very basics just stop talking for a change.

[spwood]

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There are no regional seeds. If you can't understand the very basics just stop talking for a change.

Be nice....what did he do to you?

[altazo]

Adrian is in first place in the NCHA via 3 points head to head vs. Lake Forest.

Wilkes is in first place in the UCHC via sweeping Stevenson in their head to head matchups.

The bracket below reflects that.

The at-larges are Utica, Lake Forest, Eau Claire and Hobart.

Gotcha. For some reason I thought LFC still technically led the NCHA but you are absolutely correct. The only reason I thought Utica led the UCHC is because the UCHC website has it listed that way. It will all shake out soon enough and I am still optimistic the west will secure 4 bids.

[NUProf]

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Be nice....what did he do to you?

Maybe he's a disgruntled former student. Maybe somebody who failed calculus or stats.

I'm just trying to understand how what parts of the process have changed and what parts haven't since the adoption of the PWR. I do know that this is the second year of a two year trial of this process, and I didn't know how much of the process had been totally replaced, and how much was intact with the exception of the use of the PWR for selection/seeding.

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Maybe he's a disgruntled former student. Maybe somebody who failed calculus or stats.

I'm just trying to understand how what parts of the process have changed and what parts haven't since the adoption of the PWR. I do know that this is the second year of a two year trial of this process, and I didn't know how much of the process had been totally replaced, and how much was intact with the exception of the use of the PWR for selection/seeding.

There are no more east and west seeds because there are no more East and West rankings. It's all about the PWR. AQs and then the top four remaining teams in the PWR that didn't win their conference.

Then the bracket is constructed following the same rules, avoid flights in the first round and quarterfinal round if possible.

The bracket I constructed does that with the Adrian/Geneseo/Hobart triad. All three schools are within 500 miles of each other.

[Fishman'81]

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Gotcha. For some reason I thought LFC still technically led the NCHA but you are absolutely correct. The only reason I thought Utica led the UCHC is because the UCHC website has it listed that way. It will all shake out soon enough and I am still optimistic the west will secure 4 bids.

The RS standings mean nothing, as you know. Why even reference them?

All that matter are the AQ's, as far as conference play goes.

And may the best 8th place team "earn" a bid!

[Fishman'81]

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Even then, what do you have? Syracuse. That's it.

St. John's isn't anything like they used to be. Buffalo? Not really. Albany? Binghamton? St. Bonaventure? Iona? Manhattan? Colgate? Cornell? All non-entities these days in the college basketball world.

You don't think that all the downstate talent would stay close to home if NY was one of the few States to allow paid endorsements..?

Hell, even Marist might land 5-star guys in that situation.

[Russell Jaslow]

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The RS standings mean nothing, as you know. Why even reference them?

All that matter are the AQ's, as far as conference play goes.

And may the best 8th place team "earn" a bid!

You're totally missing altazo's point. For the mock brackets -- the key word is mock -- we have to go on the assumption the first place team gets the AQ. altazo was questioning the last mock bracket -- the key word is mock -- who was actually the first place team to get the AQ in the mock bracket -- the key word is mock.

[Russell Jaslow]

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You don't think that all the downstate talent would stay close to home if NY was one of the few States to allow paid endorsements..?

Hell, even Marist might land 5-star guys in that situation.

Only St. John's would benefit. No other school is going to benefit for a few reasons -- 5-star talent is still going to look at the long term, and that's going to a top flight school to get NBA scouts interested in you down the road. Plus, other states will have these type of laws as well, and why would a downstate local kid stay in the state to attend a two-bit BB school when he can go out of state, still make the money the laws allow, and go to a premier school. Kind of what happens right now.

[OZFEST]

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Imagine TX and FL following suit... Bedlam.

Florida is looking at it.. from yesterday:

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - Despite concerns about college sports in Florida being harmed, a proposal that would allow student-athletes to market themselves off the field is now moving forward in the Senate and House.

The Senate Education Committee on Monday unanimously backed a bill (SB 646), filed by Sen. Debbie Mayfield, R-Rockledge, that is similar to a House measure (HB 7051). The House bill has been characterized as a “bill of rights” for Florida college athletes in outlining how they can earn compensation for their “name, image, likeness or persona.”

[NUProf]

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This whole thing leads me to think of the potential for interference/corruption on the part of boosters. A recruit is choosing between Florida and Florida State. A big Florida booster who has a used car business can offer a recruit a substantial income from starring in commercial for his dealership. A big Florida State booster has a chain of restaurants and makes an offer of equal income from making commercials for his restaurants. A Gainsville Real Estate broker jumps in with an additional offer, and so it goes. Nike sweetens the pot. If you think the corruption by the shoe companies is an issue, wait until this explodes. Maybe the NCAA will limit endorsement solicitation of recruits, but chances are that such rules will either be ineffective or just found to be illegal interference with commerce. The idea may be well intentioned, but the fallout may be far from desirable.

[OZFEST]

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This whole thing leads me to think of the potential for interference/corruption on the part of boosters. A recruit is choosing between Florida and Florida State. A big Florida booster who has a used car business can offer a recruit a substantial income from starring in commercial for his dealership. A big Florida State booster has a chain of restaurants and makes an offer of equal income from making commercials for his restaurants. A Gainsville Real Estate broker jumps in with an additional offer, and so it goes. Nike sweetens the pot. If you think the corruption by the shoe companies is an issue, wait until this explodes. Maybe the NCAA will limit endorsement solicitation of recruits, but chances are that such rules will either be ineffective or just found to be illegal interference with commerce. The idea may be well intentioned, but the fallout may be far from desirable.

Fortunately, they (states, NCAA) have a couple years to figure it out. From what I read, Florida is looking at morality clauses first--eliminating likeness tied to casinos, alcohol and the like. I would think the regulations will have to be sweeping to guard against possible and likely booster corruption. Big football money down here. And let's not forget the most honest group in sports--agents. I'm sure they are watching all of this with anticipation$.

[NUProf]

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Fortunately, they (states, NCAA) have a couple years to figure it out.

That is optimistic. Giving the NCAA two years to figure something out is like giving a remedial math student two years to solve a calculus problem. Name something the NCAA has solved.

[Fishman'81]

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Only St. John's would benefit. No other school is going to benefit for a few reasons -- 5-star talent is still going to look at the long term, and that's going to a top flight school to get NBA scouts interested in you down the road. Plus, other states will have these type of laws as well, and why would a downstate local kid stay in the state to attend a two-bit BB school when he can go out of state, still make the money the laws allow, and go to a premier school. Kind of what happens right now.

My opinion was predicated on NY being one of the few States to do it. Few, as in: not many; just a few. If most States allow endorsements, sure, you never know where a kid might go... But I was talking a few.

Not to mock, Russ.

[Fishman'81]

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Only St. John's would benefit. No other school is going to benefit for a few reasons -- 5-star talent is still going to look at the long term, and that's going to a top flight school to get NBA scouts interested in you down the road.

Everybody gets found today in a big-money sport like hoops. An elite player couldn't hide even if he wanted to.