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  • #31
    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    I've always thought we should just pack up our white nationalists and their families and release them in Africa and tell them to go play "Man Who Would Be King." Hey, if they're right about their racism then 25,000 members of the Master Race ought to be able to "civilize" a billion fuzzy wuzzies, right?
    West Africa first.
    Some in Iran too
    The stans could use some upstanding whitey forces too.

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    • #32
      Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

      Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
      A “centrist” wants Biden? Shocking. Next up on the 10pm news, woman wearing confederate flag bikini is opposed to impeachment
      You know we really need to stop with this insult of anyone who calls themselves a centrist. There are more people in the center than on the fringes and the more we **** on them the more likely we are to lose. That is why the Centrist has been leading since the beginning and cant seem to be killed by conventional weapons.

      I am not a Centrist but I will **** sure acknowledge there are more of them than there are of us and we need them to win. Scooby may whine about Amy wanting to work for the other side but if that is what people want to hear then screw it. trix might pretend that only Saint Bernard of Vermont can lead us out of Exile and into the Land of Milk and Honey and that a vote for Biden is a vote for Trump but the facts dont seem to back that up in any way.

      We dont have to like the views of the centrists, but they are no more invalid than ours. And we cant win without them. Win first...worry about the the rest later.
      Last edited by Handyman; 12-16-2019, 02:55 PM.
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      • #33
        Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
        He has forever altered the world we live in. If you can't see that, good for you. Do you honestly believe that after Barr and Trump the next President is going to give back the power gain? Do you honestly believe that the United States will be treated on the World Stage after Trump the same way they were before Trump?

        Rover, I honestly think you under state 1. Trump's impact on the World, and 2. The Presidency of the United States impact on the World.

        I appreciate you wanting to sweep it all under the rug but the world does not work that way.

        And why is is so confusing to you is befuddling. You think after a Democrat gets elected everything just snaps into Obama's 3rd term? Really? How naive.
        Scoobs, let me expand your mind a little bit. The damage Chump has done can't be undone all right, but its what he's done to the GOP. They are now the Nazi party. Anybody who's not into racial purity has already hit the door. The Republican coalition used to be rural dwellers plus educated well off suburbanites. Now they're hemorrhaging the educated people and the party unquestionably becomes a cult. Much like there's no "one foot in the door and one foot out" for the Moonies or the Scientologists, its now the same for the Republicans.

        So, even with a Biden Presidency and 50 seats in the Senate, the entirety of the Chump administration goes away with 1) repealing his idiotic tax cuts (the only law he actually got passed) which everybody from Manchin on down should be okay with since they all voted against the tax cuts in the first place, and 2) an executive order on Day 1 rescinding all Chump executive orders. Done and done. Then you immediately pass a non-controversial for all Dems robust voting rights package making illegal shenanigans like voter roll purges, one voting booth in the inner city vs 1,000 in rural areas, etc etc. That cuts the balls off the GOP who will only become angrier, older, and whiter but less plentiful as their aging base continues to go meet their Maker (Satan in this case).

        If 4 years of Chump wakes up this country to the difference between Democrats and Republicans, than it might end up being less of a disaster than we thought. Unlike Bush II's Iraq fiasco, which we're still paying for, nothing of Chump's outlives him except for maybe that hickey he put on Kim Jong-un's rear end.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
          You know we really need to stop with this insult of anyone who calls themselves a centrist. There are more people in the center than on the fringes and the more we **** on them the more likely we are to lose. That is why the Centrist has been leading since the beginning and cant seem to be killed by conventional weapons.

          I am not a Centrist but I will **** sure acknowledge there are more of them than there are of us and we need them to win. Scooby may whine about Amy wanting to work for the other side but if that is what people want to hear then screw it. trix might pretend that only Saint Bernard of Vermont can lead us out of Exile and into the Land of Milk and Honey and that a vote for Biden is a vote for Trump but the facts dont seem to back that up in any way.

          We dont have to like the views of the centrists, but they are no more invalid than ours. And we cant win without them. Win first...worry about the the rest later.
          I’ll respect a centrist when I find one who actually is one, instead of a conservative. I’ve yet to find one. I’m sure they exist somewhere, though.

          You don’t need to remind me of this. I’m obviously voting for Biden If he’s it. Any I’m not insulting anyone on here- my words aren’t going to make a centrist say gee, maybe Biden isn’t the answer

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          • #35
            Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
            There are more people in the center than on the fringes
            This is very much in question. At this point the right are Nazis so there really is nobody in the "center" ("Well, we're not Nazis but we're willing to consider them a legitimate alternative to a democratic liberal western state.") No! If you're OK with Nazis even in principle you are a Nazi and you want them to win.

            It's not 1982 anymore, Handy. There is no center and there shouldn't be. One side of our political battle has turned its back on American principles and lurched back to the cave. This isn't debating on McLaughlin Group anymore, it's dealing with the people who want to burn the Reichstag.
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            • #36
              Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

              Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
              I’ll respect a centrist when I find one who actually is one, instead of a conservative. I’ve yet to find one. I’m sure they exist somewhere, though.

              You don’t need to remind me of this. I’m obviously voting for Biden If he’s it. Any I’m not insulting anyone on here- my words aren’t going to make a centrist say gee, maybe Biden isn’t the answer
              This.

              The center has moved so far right it doesn't exist anymore.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                This is very much in question. At this point the right are Nazis so there really is nobody in the "center" ("Well, we're not Nazis but we're willing to consider them a legitimate alternative to a democratic liberal western state.") No! If you're OK with Nazis even in principle you are a Nazi and you want them to win.

                It's not 1982 anymore, Handy. There is no center and there shouldn't be. One side of our political battle has turned its back on American principles and lurched back to the cave. This isn't debating on McLaughlin Group anymore, it's dealing with the people who want to burn the Reichstag.
                Not completely agreeing with the left doesn't make someone " on the right." That's where the center is. It isn't all black and white here...there is a TON of gray.
                There is a center and no it can't be ignored.
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                • #38
                  Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  This is very much in question. At this point the right are Nazis so there really is nobody in the "center" ("Well, we're not Nazis but we're willing to consider them a legitimate alternative to a democratic liberal western state.") No! If you're OK with Nazis even in principle you are a Nazi and you want them to win.

                  It's not 1982 anymore, Handy. There is no center and there shouldn't be. One side of our political battle has turned its back on American principles and lurched back to the cave. This isn't debating on McLaughlin Group anymore, it's dealing with the people who want to burn the Reichstag.
                  If that was the case why the hell is Biden winning? Why is Pete doing well? If the world is as you say it is Bernie should be crushing and Warren should be his only challenger. If there is no center, why are Centrist candidates doing ok?

                  Center-Left is still center. You know how I know, because everyone to the left of them tells me so. You cant have it both ways.

                  Your fatal flaw is you only listen to the noise. You assume the loudest voices are the only ones that count or exist. That isnt true, and the numbers are bearing it out. The spectrum still exists. There is just a lot of people who dont make a lot of noise.

                  You know this which is why you are preaching kumbaya these days. If all the Dems needed was the Progressives and the Socialists we wouldnt be having these issues. They need the Biden voters, they need the Hillary voters, they need the Amy people and everyone else. And guess what all of their voters get classified as...Centrists.

                  And FWIW I know plenty of centrists.
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                  • #39
                    Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                    If that was the case why the hell is Biden winning?
                    Inertia. TPTB have an investment. Same reason why Hillary won in 2016.

                    Why is Pete doing well?
                    Cuz he's a d-mn fine candidate, or at least he is until you start digging.

                    Also, there are very powerful forces who will do virtually anything to stop Sanders and even Warren. The Plutocracy is real. They went to a lot of effort to destroy our American economic democracy and they are going to fight like hell to keep the heists going.

                    You are misunderstanding what I mean when I saw there's no "center." I recognize there are tons of Moderates. But Moderates are only "between" Liberals and Nazis in the sense that 8 is between 5 and 28,000,000. Being a Moderate in this reality means being as committed as a Liberal to destroying the Republican party as an existential threat to American democracy.
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                    • #40
                      Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                      Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
                      Not completely agreeing with the left doesn't make someone " on the right." That's where the center is. It isn't all black and white here...there is a TON of gray.
                      There is a center and no it can't be ignored.
                      This.

                      The ignoring/demonizing of the gray is why the Far Left always has issues.

                      But apparently according to Scooby Amy Klobuchar and her supporters are all Righties...since the center is now far right.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                        This.

                        The ignoring/demonizing of the gray is why the Far Left always has issues.

                        But apparently according to Scooby Amy Klobuchar and her supporters are all Righties...since the center is now far right.
                        I look forward to Amy's success working with Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell. I also look forward to Ben Sasse leading the charge when Biden or Pete get elected President. It should be grand.

                        By the way, Susie Collins says hello.
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                        • #42
                          Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          Inertia. TPTB have an investment. Same reason why Hillary won in 2016.



                          Cuz he's a d-mn fine candidate, or at least he is until you start digging in.

                          Also, there are very powerful forces who will do virtually anything to stop Sanders and even Warren. The Plutocracy is real. They went to a lot of effort to destroy economic democracy and they are going to fight like hell to keep the heists going.
                          [/QUOTE]

                          So Centrists win because of of the big bad Plutocracy. The voters dont think for themselves and they surely dont actually like the candidates they just do as they are told? When have the Dems ever done as they are told? If they did that they would never lose.

                          You ever think the the Far Left loses because the majority just dont agree with us on everything?
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                          • #43
                            Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                            We need not have a knife fight to see if Handy or Kep is right about "Centrists" vs "Libs" (although that would be kinda fun). That's what the primary is for. If Bernie is where the party is, he'll be the nominee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz be ****ed!!!!
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                            • #44
                              Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                              I look forward to Amy's success working with Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell. I also look forward to Ben Sasse leading the charge when Biden or Pete get elected President. It should be grand.

                              By the way, Susie Collins says hello.
                              So your big beef is they will try and fail as opposed to say Warren or Bernie who wont try but will still fail? Cool story. What exactly do you want and tell me who can accomplish it.

                              And again if the people want the President to work with the other side shouldnt the President do that? Isnt that THEIR FRIGGIN JOB!?!? I am not saying I want them too but if Biden wins shouldnt he do what was part of what got him elected? Or should he just do what Trump does and ignore the will of the people?

                              Your obsession with the media is what is rotting your brain.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Rover View Post
                                We need not have a knife fight to see if Handy or Kep is right about "Centrists" vs "Libs" (although that would be kinda fun). That's what the primary is for. If Bernie is where the party is, he'll be the nominee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz be ****ed!!!!
                                All I did was troll trix for responding to worlds most obvious statement from
                                Rube and I’m ****ting all over what apparently is 70% of us population lol

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