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Originally posted by burd View PostFirst people have to stop swallowing the failed trickle-down tax policies the Rs have been using to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the working class.
Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View PostAnd also...actually voteCornell University
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Originally posted by The Rube View PostAnd I have also said the money is there. The issue is getting stuff passed/enacted. Heck, we could easily solve the Homeless/Hungry problem, too, if we reallocated money."The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by burd View PostFirst people have to stop swallowing the failed trickle-down tax policies the Rs have been using to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the working class.
The downfall of America was when we started to craft policy to appeal to the LOL "conservatives" -- the worst 33% of us. We should have told those losers to sit down, shut up, and maybe we wouldn't cut off their government cheese.
We should do that now.Last edited by Kepler; 01-09-2020, 09:30 AM.Cornell University
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Few people actually believe in trickle down economics anymore. The poors aren't voting GOP because they think they'll get some benefit from billionaire tax cuts. They're voting GOP on racial issues.
Regarding Kep's comment about crafting policies to appeal to conservatives, sadly 40 years ago and for a decade or so afterwards the majority of people actually believed that sh it, not 33%. They might still believe it had Clinton not crushed that notion both in his 1992 campaign and his subsequent handling of tax/budget/economic policy which laid waste to the idea that tax hikes on the rich would hurt the economy. That's been a major shift in attitude from the public, which is why the last two tax hiking Dem Presidents were both overwhelmingly re-elected when previously that was thought to be electoral death.Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin
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Originally posted by Rover View PostFew people actually believe in trickle down economics anymore. The poors aren't voting GOP because they think they'll get some benefit from billionaire tax cuts. They're voting GOP on racial issues.
Regarding Kep's comment about crafting policies to appeal to conservatives, sadly 40 years ago and for a decade or so afterwards the majority of people actually believed that sh it, not 33%. They might still believe it had Clinton not crushed that notion both in his 1992 campaign and his subsequent handling of tax/budget/economic policy which laid waste to the idea that tax hikes on the rich would hurt the economy. That's been a major shift in attitude from the public, which is why the last two tax hiking Dem Presidents were both overwhelmingly re-elected when previously that was thought to be electoral death."The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984
"One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir
"Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth
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Originally posted by burd View PostFirst people have to stop swallowing the failed trickle-down tax policies the Rs have been using to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the working class.Cornell University
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Originally posted by St. Clown View PostWhen raising the marginal tax rate on high income earners, Clinton also cut the capital gains tax. People looked from one to the other and said that the CGT cut outweighed the MTR increase as most rich people get the majority of their income from capital gains and not wages and salary.Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin
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I didnt realize we can go back in time and take the money from the Forever War to pay for Free College! I would have thought we would have heard of that by now Bernie truly is the Doc Brown of American Politics (and he is emailing me like 14 times a day right now...hey Bernard I am on vacation!!! )
I am all for raising taxes to pay for Free College (at least 2 years) but lets remember the truth here. We dont have the money for it now. We didnt have it when we started the stupid wars (hence our debt skyrocketing) and we dont now. Some like to frame it that it is either/or when in truth it isnt. BACK THEN it may have been either/or (it wasnt because Free College wasnt even seriously being considered) but right now we are way past that. That money is gone."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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We do have money for it now despite your lack of understanding how we pay for things in this country. We literally just decided to give away 2 trillion to billionaires for no reason and supposedly didn't have that money then either.
(also you can change the frequency of those emails pretty easily )Last edited by trixR4kids; 01-09-2020, 11:06 AM.
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Originally posted by trixR4kids View PostWe do have money for it now despite your lack of understanding how we pay for things in this country.
And this is despite the fact that Conservative things are sterile and lose value (military spending, corporate giveaways, tax cuts for the rich) while Liberal things are productive and add value (child care, health care, education).
It's exactly reversed. Conservatives should have to pay for everything they do with revenue neutral measures, while Liberals should finance their measures on debt because they more than pay for themselves. That would be fiscal responsibility.Last edited by Kepler; 01-09-2020, 11:11 AM.Cornell University
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Originally posted by trixR4kids View PostWe do have money for it now despite your lack of understanding how we pay for things in this country.
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Originally posted by burd View PostThat money is gone.
"Moral hazard" isn't recovering it. It's letting the crooks get away with it. The fact that they used the government to steal it doesn't make it any more legitimate than when Marcos or Putin or Milosevic or Magabe or Suharto did it.Last edited by Kepler; 01-09-2020, 11:16 AM.Cornell University
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Originally posted by BassAle View Postthe way we pay for things is dumb. we shouldn't be running trillion dollar deficits when we aren't in recession
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Originally posted by burd View PostFirst people have to stop swallowing the failed trickle-down tax policies the Rs have been using to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the working class.Originally posted by trixR4kids View PostThe way we pay for it isn't the problem, the priorities of what they pay for is. This is why we should elect the candidate most likely to end forever wars, fund the IRS and aggressively tax billionaires, and supports programs like GND that create surpluses. You could reasonably pay down some of the debt that way and realistically we don't need to pay it down to zero anytime soon.Cornell University
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