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  • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

    More like one person in Sanders volunteer slack uploaded something and it was reported to the media within 2 minutes... hmmmm.

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    • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

      Here's a kind of reckless yet inspiring take: I’m an American, which means I don’t like being told what to ********** do.
      I like it.
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      • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

        Originally posted by geezer View Post
        Here's a kind of reckless yet inspiring take: I’m an American, which means I don’t like being told what to ********** do.
        I like it.
        From that piece:

        Laying down fatalist tweet after fatalist tweet is its own form of fiddling while the world burns. It’s self-fulfilling defeatism.
        Words to live by.

        The only reason to NOT have confidence in Bernie is because you’ve been instructed to not have any. American voters, particularly on the left flank, have been conditioned to be as meek as the average worker bee daring to ask the boss for a pay raise. Now now don’t go asking for too much, you might scare some folks!
        Exactly.
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        • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

          where do Booker's handful of supporters land?

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          • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            From that piece:



            Words to live by.



            Exactly.
            You can ask for it, but when others tell you 'no,' that doesn't make them the devil or the equivalent of Trump or Reagan.

            That's a lesson I expect to tell my 3 year old daughter, not fully grown adults who should know better.

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            • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

              Originally posted by BassAle View Post
              where do Booker's handful of supporters land?
              Biden or Bloomberg, color-coded.
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              • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                Originally posted by unofan View Post
                You can ask for it, but when others tell you 'no,' that doesn't make them the devil
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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  I know you don't believe there are idiots out there on the far left, but my Facebook feed says otherwise.

                  In the last week, a guy I went to high school went called Obama Reagan, Warren a fake progressive, and Buttegig a racist.
                  Last edited by unofan; 01-13-2020, 10:44 AM.

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                  • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                    Please source your claims...

                    "well this one person on the internet"

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                    • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                      Originally posted by unofan View Post
                      I know you don't believe there are idiots out there on the far left, but my Facebook feed says otherwise.
                      I believe there are idiots on the Far Left. I do not believe they are representative.

                      My objection to your specific post (which surprised me because you are a logical chap) is that nowhere in the linked piece does the author make the charge you are rebutting. He's saying:

                      1. It doesn't hurt to reach.
                      2. It does hurt not to reach.

                      Democrats need to have that drilled into their heads.
                      Last edited by Kepler; 01-13-2020, 10:47 AM.
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                      • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        I believe there are idiots on the Far Left. I do not believe they are representative.

                        My objection to your specific post (which surprised me because you are a logical chap) is that nowhere in the linked piece does the author make the charge you are rebutting. He's saying:

                        1. It doesn't hurt to reach.
                        2. It does hurt not to reach.

                        Democrats need to have that drilled into their heads.
                        uno's statement is the natural follow up though. In fact, its the very thing you've been preaching since you were deprogrammed a few months ago!
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                        • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                          Bernie might beat Dump if the youth vote gets off its arse (ironic given he's older than dirt). I am concerned that Liz isn't capable of inspiring enough college kids to put down the bong for an hour and vote.

                          Looks to me like the numbers are narrowing.

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                          • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                            Originally posted by Rover View Post
                            uno's statement is the natural follow up though. In fact, its the very thing you've been preaching since you were deprogrammed a few months ago!
                            I agree with the sentiment in general but if it's the very first thing that comes to your mind after reading that piece then it kinda proves its thesis: the Left has been trained to self-censor, to pro-actively surrender. The Right has been taught to push and push and push. The result is the headlong rush to fascism of the last 40 years. To arrest that and restore balance we had better stop ducking and mumbling and start having courage and bravado.

                            The People do not give a sh-t about policy, they care about affect. The GOP affect is leadership and confidence and people are drawn to that despite Republican rancidness and their century-long record of economic disaster. The People like the big, tough, dumb sh-t with the big hair. They think he's a rebellious anti-hero even though in reality he's the tool of the establishment that is f-cking them.

                            The Dem affect is professorial consideration and faltering caution. The People are repelled by that. Not everybody wants to sit through a dissertation defense. If you want to know what most people like, watch commercials. The flashy, loud, pandering, and superficial in a proven winner. What matters is affect.

                            The Great Irony is the 1% target their campaigns to the bottom half of the electorate while we target ours to the top 5% of the educated. A new approach is needed. Be brave and confident. Stop worrying about everything: how middle class people will hear "socialism," how one-legged Tennessee cis lesbians of color will feel insufficiently respected.

                            State the goal: widely shared prosperity and equal opportunity.

                            State how to get there: full stop end corporate, Plute, and military welfare, make enormous long-term investments in health and education for the majority of Americans, restore strongly progressive taxation, punish white color crime, reverse the privatization of government as a debunked, corrupt scam.

                            Restore balance. Repair the social ties between Americans and end the "war of all against all" the Plutes use to divide and conquer. End the trumped-up war between rurals and urbans. Make "American" more important than gender or skin color or region. Stop demonizing women (or men) and browns (or whites) and the coasts (or the middle).

                            Defend American values of equality and opportunity. Be proud of them, be positive about them. Own them. We are Real America. Those other as-sholes are just a bunch of lying multi-national carpetbaggers and their paid stooges.
                            Last edited by Kepler; 01-13-2020, 11:53 AM.
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                            • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                              I think you're not considering something important, which is there IS an electoral price to overreach. "We'll be greeted as liberators" for one tragic example. If you don't craft a winning message, not only do you get nothing, you most likely have things that you took for granted taken away. THAT is the lesson of the Chump administration. Dems ran on 60's style liberalism complete with tax hikes for everyone and an expansion of the social programs all the way through the 1988 election. Their reward for that? 3 absolute blow out losses (72, 84, 88) where they lost between 40 and 49 (!) states.

                              I know socialism tingles your loins. There's nothing wrong with that. Go be a socialist if that's what you believe. However, pragmatists-moderates-corporate sellouts-etc all value one thing more than socialists do. That's winning. Show me Bernie style candidates winning swing districts and I'm on board as I don't have a problem with the old codger. Old style liberals by your own calculations don't have a strong record winning contested elections. I'd like to see a bit better of a track record first.
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                              • Re: Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

                                Bernie Sanders won a senate seat that had been under Republican control for over 100 years.

                                Also I love the implicit bias here where "blowout losses" are somehow treated as being significantly worse than close losses by centrists that delivered us Bush x2 and the current idiot.
                                Last edited by trixR4kids; 01-13-2020, 01:07 PM.

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