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  • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

    Originally posted by Rover View Post
    My worry even though its early is that O'Connell learned all the wrong lessons from Parker...
    Interesting observation. I hadn't really thought of it in that light. The impression I get when I watch BU is lack of communication. They all seem to be skating by themselves in a vacuum. I watch BC and they seem to know exactly where each other is and the flow is smooth and coordinated. BU seems to try to force the puck into the corner and then "hope" that the possession will result in something. The other thing that bugs me is the standing around on the power play. Moving the puck quickly is important, but it isn't enough. I don't care how fast it zips around the perimeter, if the players don't MOVE then the defense can just stand there in the box and never be out of position. Opportunities arise from making the defense move and hopefully get slightly out of position, which you can then exploit in a specific area.

    Was it last weekend where they passed the puck from the right point to the right wing and back about six times in a row with those "touch passes"? What was that? Let's see how fast we can pass to each other? Let's see if we can make the viewers dizzy? Just what did that accomplish? The defense just stood there as if to say, "Whenever you're ready we can play now." And by the time they actually ATTACK the net the PP is almost over.

    So it all comes down to the same point, really. How much coaching is actually being done, or is it just roll the puck out there and have them just free wheel? Individual talent has to be molded to fit into a team concept. The whole should be GREATER than the sum of its parts. It doesn't really seem that way with this team. Perhaps that's why you hear comments like "They're not playing up to their talent level" and "They have tons of talent but they're not producing..."
    Last edited by chickod; 03-03-2020, 02:33 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Rover View Post
      My worry even though its early is that O'Connell learned all the wrong lessons from Parker as he was on the team when Parker started going a little senile in the late 90's.

      Players not developing. Constipated offense. Boring power play. Taking whole periods and games off. I don't like the parallels.
      Some people are just not meant for certain positions.. what you see on the ice ; lack of discipline at the core is likely what happens off the ice as well ... some people are just not men to be head
      Coaches he deserved a shot but I see no reason to prolong the agony ... before we have more early departures (and don’t think that many from last year were not head coach related ) something should be done ... this team has way too much talent and should not be there they are ... terrible d zone mistakes and coverage ... too much individual play.. trying to be too fancy and highlight reel.. keep the game simple .. also don’t get lost in numbers I am happy that a guy like farrance has so many points but plot that out against what he gives up defensively I’ll bet *** doesn’t looo very good .. and the defensive coverage is as much a result of poor offensive zone coverage and forecheck .. in all my years of watching BU hockey I cannot recall the number of breakaways and odd man rushes that occur almost every game ... I do think albie has done a good job in trying to get some core players who won’t be 1 or 2 and done a really good job and that’s what he is really good at ... as for some players who don’t belong well there were definitely some surprise early departures last year ... and look the way the game has been trending re recruiting (thankfully some sanity has now entered the process ) it’s really challenging to transpose what a kid at 13-14 will pan out too years later and that has hurt the process
      One last point ... while the USNDTP is the pride and joy of USA hockey and where many talented kids play ... look at how many supposed studs are not doing as well as projected .. USA hockey has gone away from their core philosophies and what these kids end up playing is pond hockey often on larger international ice surfaces instead of sound structured 2 way hockey ..

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      • Originally posted by Lemonade View Post
        Not entirely accurate. Montreal stated they would prefer Caufield return to Wisconsin but if Caufield wants to sign he will go to Laval so thats still TBD. I would also argue that Caufield has a lot more to work on than Zegras before turning pro - like playing defense. Zegras is a more complete player and another year at BU would certainly round out his game. Was Wahlstrom ready? Was Farabee ready? A lot of these players are rushed to the next level. Some work out and some dont.
        Zegras is a more complete player ? Why cause every so often one of. His highlight reel passes actually clicks ... he is no further along than caulfield and I have no expectation he would stay

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        • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

          Originally posted by ColinWilsonFan View Post
          Zegras is a more complete player ? Why cause every so often one of. His highlight reel passes actually clicks ... he is no further along than caulfield and I have no expectation he would stay
          My understanding as well is that he's gone. That said I agree he is not as polished as any of our recent high-pick freshmen. Though I think his upside potential is higher than all of them except Eichel. There's a lot of things he could improve in a second season, but it's 100-1 we don't see it.
          ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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          • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

            Originally posted by Rover View Post
            My worry even though its early is that O'Connell learned all the wrong lessons from Parker as he was on the team when Parker started going a little senile in the late 90's.
            Hmmm. That is pretty interesting. Perhaps Parker got away with some stuff because of who he was and also some of that stuff might not fly today. When you're a HOF-level coach like that, you certainly earn some leeway and everyone will say "that's just how he is" and "it's good for them!" Bud Kilmer and all that.

            That being said, Albie doesn't have anyone on his team getting arrested like the last few days of Parker's Agganimal House (I shed a tear going past The Avenue the other night on the way home from the game). And tying it in to the discussion on this thread of the president of BU and how they view athletics, they may be ok with how things are playing out right now without appearing in the police blotter and Globe regardless of Albie's record of wins and losses.
            Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010
            The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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            • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

              Originally posted by ColinWilsonFan View Post
              Zegras is a more complete player ? Why cause every so often one of. His highlight reel passes actually clicks ... he is no further along than caulfield and I have no expectation he would stay
              Zegras plays at least some defense and his size isnt a huge factor. Caufield doenst play defense and is tiny - not to mention he is essentially a PP specialist. Both players SHOULD play another year of NCAA hockey to better round out their game but based on how past 1st round picks leave after one NCAA season I would assume both will leave and turn pro prematurely.

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              • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

                Originally posted by ColinWilsonFan View Post
                Some people are just not meant for certain positions.. what you see on the ice ; lack of discipline at the core is likely what happens off the ice as well ... some people are just not men to be head
                Coaches he deserved a shot but I see no reason to prolong the agony ... before we have more early departures (and don’t think that many from last year were not head coach related ) something should be done ... this team has way too much talent and should not be there they are ... terrible d zone mistakes and coverage ... too much individual play.. trying to be too fancy and highlight reel.. keep the game simple .. also don’t get lost in numbers I am happy that a guy like farrance has so many points but plot that out against what he gives up defensively I’ll bet *** doesn’t looo very good .. and the defensive coverage is as much a result of poor offensive zone coverage and forecheck .. in all my years of watching BU hockey I cannot recall the number of breakaways and odd man rushes that occur almost every game ... I do think albie has done a good job in trying to get some core players who won’t be 1 or 2 and done a really good job and that’s what he is really good at ... as for some players who don’t belong well there were definitely some surprise early departures last year ... and look the way the game has been trending re recruiting (thankfully some sanity has now entered the process ) it’s really challenging to transpose what a kid at 13-14 will pan out too years later and that has hurt the process
                One last point ... while the USNDTP is the pride and joy of USA hockey and where many talented kids play ... look at how many supposed studs are not doing as well as projected .. USA hockey has gone away from their core philosophies and what these kids end up playing is pond hockey often on larger international ice surfaces instead of sound structured 2 way hockey ..
                Looking at the USNDTP studs and they are pretty much all having great freshman seasons....Turcotte, Caufield, Zegras, Knight, Boldy, York, Beacher, Helleson....

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                • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

                  Zegras is terrific, great vision, sees the play and the open ice better than most. Not NHL ready in my opinion but an elite player at this level.

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                  • Originally posted by Lemonade View Post
                    Looking at the USNDTP studs and they are pretty much all having great freshman seasons....Turcotte, Caufield, Zegras, Knight, Boldy, York, Beacher, Helleson....
                    Knight is a different story ... the others I wouldn’t say great and surely were awful in wjc

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                    • Originally posted by DNAEagle View Post
                      Zegras is terrific, great vision, sees the play and the open ice better than most. Not NHL ready in my opinion but an elite player at this level.
                      Really he’s feast or famine gets moved off the puck rather easily connects on his fancy passes out of 10 times I think he has a lot of raw talent need to mature big time ... I just don’t think he has anyone to look up to to lead him ...

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                      • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

                        Originally posted by ColinWilsonFan View Post
                        Knight is a different story ... the others I wouldn’t say great and surely were awful in wjc
                        What are you considering great? Tough to be great as a freshman but those guys have been very good.

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                        • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

                          Bump.

                          Many scenarios based on what happens tomorrow. Someone has to end their losing streak this weekend. Or maybe 2 ties will do.

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                          • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

                            Originally posted by Friend_of_BU_Hockey View Post
                            Bump.

                            Many scenarios based on what happens tomorrow. Someone has to end their losing streak this weekend. Or maybe 2 ties will do.
                            Other than a Terrier win (duh) who are we rooting for to lose tonight to help get home ice?
                            It Happened!!!!

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                            • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

                              Originally posted by Bomber View Post
                              Other than a Terrier win (duh) who are we rooting for to lose tonight to help get home ice?
                              Tonight: BU win, Lowell win (over UCONN) and PC win (over Maine) keeps BU's home ice chances alive.

                              Conversely, a BU loss and UNH win (over BC) tonight increases the chance of BU missing the postseason altogether.

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                              • Re: Boston University 2019-2020

                                I would prefer to not worry about what BU needs other schools to do and just focus on what BU needs to do. If they do what they need to do (win both games) to put themselves in a position for home ice and they still don't get it, too bad. They had the opportunity to not be in this position and lost it.

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