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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Ah yes, the cutesy nickname for suppressing fire to cover withdrawal from an embarrassing situation. Little used these days but a mainstay of message boards in the 90's.

    There are lots of vital breaks that came from the 60s, too (and then with later bands like Tribe the 50s). But this all started because somebody suggested disco was a blight on music without redemption, and the point is that disco was the main vein progenitor of rap and house and techno -- one of the most fecund music styles ever.

    Ragtime sucked too, but it gave us jazz.
    An embarrassing situation? Weird - I guess you take this all very seriously and apparently are never wrong. I didn't invent the memory but apparently got it wrong and said mea culpa. Put another notch on your belt and sleep well savoring the sweet taste of victory!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rube View Post
    The Three Kings used those forms of music to do what they did, which was just playing breaks and such. But rapping/MCing itself didn't come from disco, that came from rap.

    There were also 2 distinctive crowds: the street rap, and the disco rap. The disco rap didn't really mesh with the street rap.

    Netflix has an outstanding series "The Evolution Of Hip-Hop" that covers everything from the origins to (as of now) the Biggie/Tupac/ATL (Dirty South) era.
    Yes, that series is great.

    Even simpler, there is "party rap" and then there is "knuckles rap." Party rap evolved directly from block parties which go all the way back to the '20s in the black community, as in all ethnic communities. These are raucous, welcoming, and fun at least until the drinks flow. They are usually OK if the cops don't come. Even when I lived in podunk Boston, as late as the godawful de-rationated 90s, the local Portuguese still had block parties on the weekends at which all Portuguese music was played and absolutely no English was spoken; however as a party crowd everyone was welcome.

    On the other hand there was knuckles rap, at which if you showed your white face you best have had some sort of cred or passport or the evening would not end well for you. Slumming was not encouraged. This was (and I assume is) the atmosphere in the projects and in neighborhoods which completely understand they've been f-cked over in perpetuity by the blue-eyed devil and that includes me and you. These are places where you want the cops to come.

    The former is the stuff that made the radio, and Sugarhill is the pinnacle. The latter are 80% guys who left their guts in the streets or in back rooms of police stations with no recognition. That's Schooly D and hundreds of other artists who would very happily slit a white throat and, in all honesty, have a point. I went to HS with those guys and was both terrified and respectful of them. Though of course, following the Universal Rule, 90% of them were crap too, just like the well-scrubbed suburban whites in the honors classes.

    It's true that the rest of the country follows NY: first CA, then the other big cities, and then on down the line, for better or worse. Getting to feel this, even at a huge distance, as it was happening, was thrilling even as we all knew we were not welcome. I had no comprehension or appreciation at all -- I was scared and everybody I knew, white or black or brown, was too. But in a lot of ways to be 14 in 1977 and within a few miles of where this stuff happened was amazing. I got maybe 2% of the feeling and it still made a lifelong impression. What is was like for the people who lived it I can't begin to imagine.
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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    Def on message and party rap. That was another subset. And obviously it got harsher as time went on (see 2 Live Crew vs PE or NWA).
    Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rube View Post
    Def on message and party rap. That was another subset. And obviously it got harsher as time went on (see 2 Live Crew vs PE or NWA).
    NWA was legit. It irritates me they are portrayed as thug rap. They were artists.

    PE is the one rap group I'd save if you gave me 10 minutes to burn a gold Sagan record. Probably the one American group, in any genre, I would save.

    2LC was funny as f-ck and nobody will ever convince me they didn't just laugh their way to the bank. They remind me of Zappa in this way: they were crude and clever and completely under control at the same time; the Tarantino or Vonnegut of rap. Other than a few comics like Crumb, or Mad and National Lampoon at their best, I haven't seen that combined so well. They weren't even a guilty pleasure; they were just incredibly fun, in a way that say ODB, who was 100x more talented and serious and magnificent, wasn't.

    I'd have taken my teenage daughter to 2LC or NBN. Not to Wu Tang. I know I'm watching genius but I am also not an idiot.
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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    NWA was half and half as thug, given Dre's and Eazy's involvement. BUT, also artists. Cube skewed that a little, but still.

    2LC was a novelty band and made the money. Still entertaining on a freshman level. I still like popping that cd in once in a while.
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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rube View Post
    NWA was half and half as thug, given Dre's and Eazy's involvement. BUT, also artists. Cube skewed that a little, but still.
    Living that way, in that time and place, in the business, wasn't "thug," it was how you got by. Like Biggie and the triple beam, it was what you needed to do not to be ground under. At some level I agree with you, f-ck those guys for what they helped do to their brothers. At another level, that's our economy. Nobody will help you so it's either knife or be knifed. Having been comfortable my whole life I am not fit to judge either way, but I do know every uptight conservative American fortune was made exactly the same way.

    My opinion, FWIW:

    Dre is the classic businessman; he's Wozniak in the sheets and Gates in the streets -- The Archetypal American; today's Tom Sawyer, mean, mean pride. Cube was the fixer who could complete the play. Easy was the doomed charismatic of every age; he might as well have been Rimbaud -- I love how surprised he sounds that he's actually good at this! OC was the tragic hero as it turned out (though he did it to himself so no tears). Yella and Ren belonged on the East Coast; they were just were born in the wrong place.
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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    Dre is total biz. Cube is the classic poet, in modern form. Eazy was hustla, always was, always would have been. Yella and Ren were kinda hangers-on. They had talent, but as supporting players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    NWA was legit. It irritates me they are portrayed as thug rap. They were artists.
    Porque no los dos?

    NWA were artists but you donít come out of 1980ís Compton without a little bit of gangsta on you. The stuff from Straight Outta Compton (Cube smashing up the office, anything from Eazy, the ďBye FeliciaĒ scene etc.) kind of proved that.

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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    Also, thanks to this thread Iíve been on an EDM kick. Iíve come to the following thoughts:

    1. Everything is about sex (just like I remembered from late HS/early College).
    2. Iím glad I never took X.
    3. I still like it.

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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    I was in high school when Straight Outta Compton came out and it blew my mind. I was listening to punk and thrash at the time and when I heard the opening song on that N.W.A. LP my younger self thought holy ****, this is a street version of Slayer! 🤘

    I still play the album now and then, picked it up on 180 gram vinyl last year. It holds up and honestly seems just as apropos socially now as it was then. Which is an indictment on our justice system and LE generally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solovsfett View Post
    I was in high school when Straight Outta Compton came out and it blew my mind. I was listening to punk and thrash at the time and when I heard the opening song on that N.W.A. LP my younger self thought holy ****, this is a street version of Slayer! 🤘

    I still play the album now and then, picked it up on 180 gram vinyl last year. It holds up and honestly seems just as apropos socially now as it was then. Which is an indictment on our justice system and LE generally.
    I was in Junior High, and yeah, that song HIT.

    And Hip Hop Evolution S4 just hit on Netflix. Hells yeah.
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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    I love this woman (and her bandmates).

    Try to comprehend that which you'll never comprehend
    (You can see my scars)


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    I've held back a wealth of ****
    I think I'm gonna choke
    Standing in the shadows with
    The words stuck in my throat

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    I fall down just to give you a thrill
    Prop me up with another pill
    If I should fail, if I should fold
    I nailed my faith to the sticking pole


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    Hey boy, take a look at me
    Let me dirty up your mind
    I'll strip away your hard veneer
    And see what I can find


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    I wear myself out in the morning
    You're asleep when I get home
    Please don't call me self defending
    You know it cuts me to the bone
    And it's really not surprising
    I hold a force I can't contain


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    So no of course we can't be friends
    Not while I'm still this obsessed
    I guess I always knew the score
    This is how our story ends


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    I didn't accidentally tell you that
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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    Walk the Sky - possibly the best Alter Bridge album ever. Definitely best since ABIII. For sure better than The Last Hero was anyway.

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    With respect to Funky Drummer, the best break beat ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY-Z6wm6TMQ
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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    Still mourning the death of Neil Peart. The week before the news broke I had revisited Fly By Night And Caress Of Steel and fell in love with the band again.

    Since hearing of Neilís tragic passing I started with Fly By Night and moved forward and have reached Counterparts.

    Quick thoughts on the post-Moving Pictures discography:
    Signals is both musically and lyrically a tour de force. God ****.

    In fact, imo, the trio of Signals, Grace Under Pressure And Power Windows are every bit as important as their predecessors imo.

    Beyond that, Counterparts really holds up. What a great later period LP!

    Roll The Bones is meh as is Hold Your Fire. 3-4 good songs each.

    Presto I love but could afford to lose some fat like superconductor.

    Anyway...RIP Pratt.

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    I used to be a huge Beatles fan, but now I have to be in a special mood to listen to them. Same thing with a few bands, like Counting Crows, Death Cab, and Arcade Fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solovsfett View Post
    Still mourning the death of Neil Peart. The week before the news broke I had revisited Fly By Night And Caress Of Steel and fell in love with the band again.

    Since hearing of Neilís tragic passing I started with Fly By Night and moved forward and have reached Counterparts.

    Quick thoughts on the post-Moving Pictures discography:
    Signals is both musically and lyrically a tour de force. God ****.

    In fact, imo, the trio of Signals, Grace Under Pressure And Power Windows are every bit as important as their predecessors imo.

    Beyond that, Counterparts really holds up. What a great later period LP!

    Roll The Bones is meh as is Hold Your Fire. 3-4 good songs each.

    Presto I love but could afford to lose some fat like superconductor.

    Anyway...RIP Pratt.
    I need to read Ghost Rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    I used to be a huge Beatles fan, but now I have to be in a special mood to listen to them. Same thing with a few bands, like Counting Crows, Death Cab, and Arcade Fire.
    I love a lot of those bands, but I've heard them SO MUCH over the years, it's hard sometimes to hear them again. It's become tired. No insult to the music or the bands, but man...I can only listen to them so many times, you know?
    Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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    Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rube View Post
    I love a lot of those bands, but I've heard them SO MUCH over the years, it's hard sometimes to hear them again. It's become tired. No insult to the music or the bands, but man...I can only listen to them so many times, you know?
    Arcade Fire, Death Cab, and Counting Crows were easy to listen to when I was super depressed. Now that I've come out, started hormones, my MSW, etc, and my life is improving, I want music that matches my mood. Mama Wendy got me going on Sara Bareilles, Norah Jones, Ingrid Michaelson, etc, and that's been the music of my transition.
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