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  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    You mean the same electorate who still believes trickle down is awesome? Yeah, that's not going to happen.
    So you're saying we're doomed?
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    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

      Originally posted by Rover View Post
      So you're saying we're doomed?
      I can't teach 150 million people how to add and subtract. That's the only skills that are required.
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      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

        Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
        Ouch.



        Chumming the waters. I’m guessing the debates are not going to go well for the billionaires. Biden, and possibly warren and sanders, are going to be the biggest beneficiaries. No more cannons trained on them. Everyone is going to go after Steyer and Bloomberg.

        The most effective question is to ask why they’re not using their resources to fight down ballot where it’s waaaaaaaaay more effective. Every dollar in a tight senate election is probably the same value as $2 or $3 in the presidential. Or $100-$1,000 in their own campaigns. Could you imagine what a million bucks would be to a senate race? Or $100,000 in ten house races?

        These two ****wits deserve to get eaten alive on stage.
        Well she wont endorse Biden most likely...she wont add much but it would be a nice endorsement for Bernie or Warren.
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        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

          I’m not even talking about endorsements. I’m talking about to who is going to be the biggest targets in the debates.

          She won’t endorse yet I wouldn’t think. Maybe in the coming weeks.
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          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

            I dont care who the targets of the debates are...the debates are a friggin unwatchable clownshow. No one is watching them and no one is being swayed by them.

            Endorsements are what matters now.
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            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
              Aaah, yes, the tax issue. HINT FOR THOSE THAT DON'T GET IT: If the government takes over your health care that means that you're current health care costs go away. So, if your taxes go up the same or less than that number there is no ****ing tax issue.

              Elizabeth tried to address this and as usual the mindless automatons aka, the electorate, wasn't listening.
              i'm onboard, but I think my taxes likely will go up by more than what I currently spend on my insurance.

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              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                Ideally, the offset will be:

                the wealthy pay a huge amount more

                the upper middle class pays somewhat more

                the lower middle class pays a lot less

                The Poors pay nothing and are now all covered


                Now do this across the board, particularly with education and child care.
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                • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                  Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                  Aaah, yes, the tax issue. HINT FOR THOSE THAT DON'T GET IT: If the government takes over your health care that means that you're current health care costs go away. So, if your taxes go up the same or less than that number there is no ****ing tax issue.

                  Elizabeth tried to address this and as usual the mindless automatons aka, the electorate, wasn't listening.
                  Originally posted by Rover View Post
                  Umm...you do realize that you have to convince the electorate, right? Your own personal view of them aside...
                  Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                  You mean the same electorate who still believes trickle down is awesome? Yeah, that's not going to happen.
                  Originally posted by Rover View Post
                  So you're saying we're doomed?
                  Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                  I can't teach 150 million people how to add and subtract. That's the only skills that are required.
                  It's a little more complicated than that. I'm paying roughly $4600 pre-tax for my insurance premiums. My employer is contributing a little less than twice that amount to cover the remaining premiums. As much as you'd like to sell the electorate on it, I highly doubt that my employer would increase my wages by that ~$9000 it no longer pays to Screw You Medical Insurance to help cover the increased taxes I'll face under the new system. She can't guarantee that'd happen; you know it, I know it, and any critically thinking adult in this country knows it.

                  With that, can the US Government create a universal health care system for just the amount I personally pay in premiums? Without that goal/promise, you can easily bet that program will be highly unpopular.
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                  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                    She's dead, Jim.
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                    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                      Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                      It's a little more complicated than that. I'm paying roughly $4600 pre-tax for my insurance premiums. My employer is contributing a little less than twice that amount to cover the remaining premiums. As much as you'd like to sell the electorate on it, I highly doubt that my employer would increase my wages by that ~$9000 it no longer pays to Screw You Medical Insurance to help cover the increased taxes I'll face under the new system. She can't guarantee that'd happen; you know it, I know it, and any critically thinking adult in this country knows it.

                      With that, can the US Government create a universal health care system for just the amount I personally pay in premiums? Without that goal/promise, you can easily bet that program will be highly unpopular.
                      And this ladies and gentlemen is how you reap what you sow when you create stupid public policy. What stupid public policy you ask? The stupid public policy that equated health care with employment. You're right, that's an issue. I would have the same issues. That being said it was cheaper for me to cover my daughter through Obamacare than it was to continue to carry her on my employer provided insurance. But, will there be a "donut hole" that people will fall through and pay more? Probably.
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                      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                        These are all interesting economic academic exercises that are being thrown about.

                        The primary problem is this. We have in this country a health care insurance system that traffics in billions and billions of dollars annually. That system is not going to let Warren, Bernie, Joe or anyone else just declare "yeah, we're not going to do health insurance anymore in this country."

                        I posted this awhile back, but the only way you will get M4A in this country is through a form of "medicare creep." You just have to keep adding to those eligible, by age or some other classification, until the market for health insurance slowly dries up like the market for transistor radios.
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                        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                          Hopefully we still have enough power among the people rather than capital that if there's a better way of doing things for 99% of the population then the special interest doesn't get to block it just because it's rich.

                          If we do not have that power then we have to take power back by outlawing bribery and overturning McCutcheon and Citizens United.

                          We are, at the end of all the capitalist bullsh-t, a democratic nation. The wealthy do not formally control the government, no matter how hard the Republicans try to make that so.
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                          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            Hopefully we still have enough power among the people rather than capital that if there's a better way of doing things for 99% of the population then the special interest doesn't get to block it just because it's rich.

                            If we do not have that power then we have to take power back by outlawing bribery and overturning McCutcheon and Citizens United.

                            We are, at the end of all the capitalist bullsh-t, a democratic nation. The wealthy do not formally control the government, no matter how hard the Republicans try to make that so.
                            All of this would have happened naturally by now if they hadn't caved on the public option in the first place. Now, like global warming it's too ****ing late.
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                              Online leftists are busy celebrating the end of Kamala The Cop.

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                                Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                                Online leftists are busy celebrating the end of Kamala The Cop.
                                I'm not celebrating. Although her campaign sucked, it wouldn't have bothered me at all to vote for her if she won the nomination.
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