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  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
    I dunno...from everything we have seen people seem to like senile old fcks better right now than they like anything else. I honestly think the people just want someone stupid in charge because they themselves are stupid so they feel better about themselves.
    He's benefitting from the "return to normalcy" reflex as well as nobody else capturing the African American vote. Also his firewall of South Carolina is still intact, as well as he's probably no worse than an even bet to win Nevada. If he goes into Super Tuesday with the most delegates he's the front runner. Remember, zombies are tough to kill.
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    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

      when Diamond Joe wins the primary will our resident Bernie Bots/Bernie Bros cry that the DNC fixed the race?

      I'm not voting for Joe in the primary, but I'll be his #1 fan come the general.

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        Originally posted by BassAle View Post
        when Diamond Joe wins the primary will our resident Bernie Bots/Bernie Bros cry that the DNC fixed the race?

        I'm not voting for Joe in the primary, but I'll be his #1 fan come the general.
        As a big Bernie supporter I say, fervently, vote blue no matter who.
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        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

          Anyone who says it’s fixed is doing real damage. It’s malicipus idiocy.
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          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
            Anyone who says it’s fixed is doing real damage. It’s malicipus idiocy.
            "Fixed" clearly overstates it. Certainly biases do operate, and sometimes there is systemic bias to favor (or oppose) a particular candidate. It's the equivalent of the GOP voter purges: it doesn't predetermine the result but it changes the playing field.

            However, we are blessed right now in having a field that is relatively favorite-less. The grassroots has a couple reformers favorites, the money is trying to stop them. That sort of thing has been happening in politics since it was invented. We should work towards transparency to prevent outright institutional fraud, but we should also not fixate on the flaws in our sausage maker for fear of turning the public off the tainted meat.

            I guess the ideal is a Chester Arthur. Use the corrupt system to get power, then turn around and use that power to root out and destroy the corruption. Take the bribes and prosecute the bribers.
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            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              As a big Bernie supporter I say, fervently, vote blue no matter who.
              He aint talking about you though
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              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                He aint talking about you though
                I don't see why not; I'm way more radical than Bernie.

                Senator Elizabeth Warren wants new taxes on wealth. Senator Bernie Sanders wants Medicare for All. Senator Cory Booker wants guaranteed jobs.

                Jeff Mackler wants the elimination of the military budget, the nationalization of the energy and banking industries, open borders, the creation of a state-run health-care system, and the end of capitalism in the United States.
                There is a tendency for some to consider anyone who votes hard left to be some sort of unthinking or fanatical "BernieBot." I try to subvert it when possible.
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                • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                  Will I vote for Crazy Uncle Joe over Dump? You betcha.

                  Will I be happy about it or campaign for him? Nope.

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  There is a tendency for some to consider anyone who votes hard left to be some sort of unthinking or fanatical "BernieBot." I try to subvert it when possible.
                  We're trying to be nicer and call you "online leftists" now.

                  Also, true socialist parties are as terrifying and destabilizing as the Republicans/Nazis and will never have any power in America.
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                  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                    We're trying to be nicer and call you "online leftists" now.
                    "Blood-soaked Jacobin" would also be accepted.



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                    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      I don't see why not; I'm way more radical than Bernie.



                      There is a tendency for some to consider anyone who votes hard left to be some sort of unthinking or fanatical "BernieBot." I try to subvert it when possible.
                      Right that is why he isnt talking about you dude. He is talking about the people who talk more like trix or ticap (though trix and ticap are much milder than these clowns) the ones who claim conspiracy or automatically burn to the ground any candidate who jumps a point ahead of Bernie in the polls. (The Twitter Caucus) He isnt talking about me and you who like Bernie a lot but will flip on a dime to whoever wins and not spend the next 8 months crying about how things are rigged or are unfair. We arent Bernbots because we do this moron thing called "Thinking".

                      Put it this way...I highly doubt you are out there beating the drum of "MSNBC Screwed Andrew Yang" whereas a segment of the Bernie Supporters were. (and had it trending on Twitter)
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                      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                        What makes you think trix or ticap won't be balls deep in the Dem nominee when the time comes?

                        I know they are angrier than we about the systemic bias against real change in the party apparatus. Really, they ought to be -- the reason we aren't is we have caught the Olds and now we're cautious and pragmatic. trix and ticap still have some blood in their veins and they're morally offended by what happens in politics. God bless that -- without them we'd all wind up apparatchiks.

                        But once the nomination is set I don't know anybody who won't be 100% loyal blue to destroy Dump and the Bund Deutscher Arbeiterjugend. Every one of us wants every last Nazi out of office and up on charges.
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                        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                          First of all, assuming it's Biden, it's probably best to avoid "balls deep" and Uncle Joe in the same sentence.

                          But really, you don't think Biden is going to be forced to pardon a bunch of these creeps in the name of "national unity" and "moving on" and "focusing on the platform I ran on"?

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                            Pardon whom?
                            a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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                              Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                              First of all, assuming it's Biden, it's probably best to avoid "balls deep" and Uncle Joe in the same sentence.

                              But really, you don't think Biden is going to be forced to pardon a bunch of these creeps in the name of "national unity" and "moving on" and "focusing on the platform I ran on"?
                              Ronnie and George Senior's goons were well integrated into the political structure. Dick Cheney wasn't going to go to the gallows because he was connected back to every significant Republican in DC and half the Dems besides.

                              Dump's goons, OTOH, are almost all lone wolf/bathroom masturbating Nazis.



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                              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                What makes you think trix or ticap won't be balls deep in the Dem nominee when the time comes?

                                I know they are angrier than we about the systemic bias against real change in the party apparatus. Really, they ought to be -- the reason we aren't is we have caught the Olds and now we're cautious and pragmatic. trix and ticap still have some blood in their veins and they're morally offended by what happens in politics. God bless that -- without them we'd all wind up apparatchiks.

                                But once the nomination is set I don't know anybody who won't be 100% loyal blue to destroy Dump and the Bund Deutscher Arbeiterjugend. Every one of us wants every last Nazi out of office and up on charges.
                                I dont know that they wont (remember I said they were "milder" ) but there are plenty that will walk away if they dont get what they want. I know you dont like to believe that (and I admire your trust in that) but it happens every cycle. They wont "sell out" for the greater good its their way or the highway. And even if they do, they will spend every day until the convention telling us how unfair it was and how Biden rigged it just like they did with Hillary. They arent about unifying, they are about dividing.

                                Now this is where you tell us "that is a small percentage" but right now a small percentage is enough to swing things.

                                I hope you are right I really do...but I doubt it. They hold purity of belief too high. Again though I hope like hell I am wrong.
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