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  • #586
    Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Car Companies don't care about the environment either.
    Is there a link to this?

    My first suspicion is that they'd like a uniform standard for future fuel efficiency and environmental/emissions requirements, not that they're going to rollback their current systems designs.
    "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

    "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

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    • #587
      Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

      Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
      Is there a link to this?

      My first suspicion is that they'd like a uniform standard for future fuel efficiency and environmental/emissions requirements, not that they're going to rollback their current systems designs.
      https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/c...ons-trump.html
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      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
      Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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      • #588
        Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

        I can't open that link.
        "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

        "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

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        • #589
          Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

          Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
          I can't open that link.
          Search General Motors sides with Trump. Here's another source.

          https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/c...ota-trump-epa/
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          Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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          • #590
            Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
            https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/c...ons-trump.html
            And form another source...

            https://politicalwire.com/2019/10/28...ssions-battle/

            “General Motors, Fiat Chrysler, Toyota and other auto giants said they were intervening on the side of the Trump administration on Monday in an escalating battle with California over fuel economy standards for automobiles,” the New York Times reports.

            “Their decision pits them squarely against some of their peers, including Honda and Ford, who this year reached a deal to follow California’s stricter rules.”
            "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

            "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

            "Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth

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            • #591
              Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
              Search General Motors sides with Trump. Here's another source.

              https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/c...ota-trump-epa/
              And the motive is buried in the story.

              https://thehill.com/regulation/energ...nst-california

              The Coalition for Sustainable Automotive Regulation, which also includes Nissan, Hyundai, Kia, Isuzu, Maserati, Ferrari and others, also declared it stood with the Trump administration in the legal dispute.
              “The certainty of one national program, with reasonable, achievable standards, is the surest way to reduce emissions in the timeliest manner,” John Bozzella, CEO of Global Automakers and spokesman for the coalition, told the AP. “With our industry facing the possibility of multiple, overlapping and inconsistent standards that drive up costs and penalize consumers, we had an obligation to intervene.”
              "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

              "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

              "Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth

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              • #592
                Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

                Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                And the motive is buried in the story.

                https://thehill.com/regulation/energ...nst-california
                LOL

                That motive makes no sense. There is no inconsistency if you hit the high water mark.
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                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                • #593
                  Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

                  Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                  LOL

                  That motive makes no sense. There is no inconsistency if you hit the high water mark.
                  Look through a new vehicle brochure. Many manufacturers still make cars of the same model that conform to US standards and others with optional equipment to conform to CA standards. While I think they should all conform to CA standards as a base, like Subaru does, it would be both better for the environment and on an economic level as well.

                  For the long game on this, we're going to see the next administration push to bring the USA up to CA's current standards.
                  "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

                  "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

                  "Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth

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                  • #594
                    Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

                    Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                    Look through a new vehicle brochure. Many manufacturers still make cars of the same model that conform to US standards and others with optional equipment to conform to CA standards. While I think they should all conform to CA standards as a base, like Subaru does, it would be both better for the environment and on an economic level as well.

                    For the long game on this, we're going to see the next administration push to bring the USA up to CA's current standards.
                    Yes, exactly. So, all of these companies backing Trump want to set the clock back. I'm assuming, easy assumption, that the profit margin on the Non-California standard cars/trucks are higher. Shareholders and CEO's get more then, and we all get to die sooner. So, it's a win win for the car makers to digress the standards.
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                    Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                    Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                    • #595
                      Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

                      I don't think it's necessarily "rolling the clock back" versus just stopping the clock from moving forward.

                      Especially now that GM and Fiat/Chrysler is getting their a**es handed to them by the UAW and the Yuuuge downturn the car market is taking.

                      Not thrilled myself in reading that, but, well, par for this administration's course.
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                      • #596
                        Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

                        Opening statement by Alexander Vindman

                        On July 10, 2019, Oleksandr Danylyuk, the Secretary of the National Security and
                        Defense Council for Ukraine, visited Washington, D.C. for a meeting with National
                        Security Advisor Bolton. Ambassadors Volker and Sondland also attended, along
                        with Energy Secretary Rick Perry.
                        The meeting proceeded well until the Ukrainians broached the subject of a meeting
                        between the two presidents. The Ukrainians saw this meeting as critically
                        important in order to solidify the support of their most important international
                        partner. Amb. Sondland started to speak about Ukraine delivering specific
                        investigations in order to secure the meeting with the President, at which time
                        Ambassador Bolton cut the meeting short.
                        Following this meeting, there was a scheduled debriefing during which Amb.
                        Sondland emphasized the importance that Ukraine deliver the investigations into
                        the 2016 election, the Bidens, and Burisma. I stated to Amb. Sondland that his
                        statements were inappropriate, that the request to investigate Biden and his son
                        had nothing to do with national security, and that such investigations were not
                        something the NSC was going to get involved in or push. Dr. Hill then entered the
                        room and asserted to Amb. Sondland that his statements were inappropriate.
                        Following the debriefing meeting, I reported my concerns to the NSC’s lead
                        counsel. Dr. Hill also reported the incident to the NSC’s lead counsel.
                        --
                        Election Call – July 25, 2019
                        I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign
                        government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for
                        the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an
                        investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a
                        partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan
                        support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security.
                        Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel.

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                        • #597
                          Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

                          Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                          And the motive is buried in the story.

                          https://thehill.com/regulation/energ...nst-california
                          This is why it's a stupid bet by the ones siding with Trump. We've discussed this before. California makes up 14.5% of the US economy. It's the fifth largest in the world. It has the strength to change the world's heading. They are also going to battle with the #2, #5, and #7 car companies AND public opinion. It's not easy to forecast that people living in the most liberal states are going to have issues with this and might not want to buy cars that are ****ing us all in the ***. California could easily find other ways to increase costs on companies that don't have stringent emissions standards.

                          Trump is a blip. He's temporary. California isn't going anywhere. And public opinion is getting more liberal when it comes to climate change. This is a really bad bet by those companies.
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                          • #598
                            Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

                            Jesus...at least the mob puts half an effort into hiding their actions. These guys not only say what they are doing, but they then repeat themselves louder just in case anyone missed their shenanigans
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                            • #599
                              Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

                              Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                              Jesus...at least the mob puts half an effort into hiding their actions. These guys not only say what they are doing, but they then repeat themselves louder just in case anyone missed their shenanigans
                              It's really their only defense at this point. The actions they were originally accused of have been proven to be true and backed up by multiple witnesses.
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                              • #600
                                Re: POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

                                Trump is attempting to normalize it. That's how he gets away with everything. Everyone does it. I did it in plain sight. There's nothing wrong with what I did because everyone does it. See, I'll do it again. Etc. etc. etc.
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                                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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