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  • #31
    Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

    Originally posted by arenalife View Post
    WIN singular
    1-5-2 against top ten
    UMD also has wins over Mercyhurst and Colgate, two teams in that next pack just outside of the top 10. So if we're saying, "If not the 'Dogs, then who?" it is less attractive to replace UMD by a team with an even shakier resume. In most years, there isn't one perfect answer about who should be #10 (even #9 or #8), and a case can be made for other options.
    "... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling

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    • #32
      Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

      Originally posted by ARM View Post
      UMD also has wins over Mercyhurst and Colgate, two teams in that next pack just outside of the top 10. So if we're saying, "If not the 'Dogs, then who?" it is less attractive to replace UMD by a team with an even shakier resume. In most years, there isn't one perfect answer about who should be #10 (even #9 or #8), and a case can be made for other options.
      I suggest we follow the lead of the Big Ten and include 14 teams in the top ten. That would eliminate the close calls. Or, we could follow the lead of the Big Ten and include 7 teams in the top ten. That would eliminate the marginal teams.

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      • #33
        Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

        Originally posted by thirdtime's . . . View Post
        I’m sending you and Still Eeyore some Crimson swag in recognition of your support.
        SE will not be happy (what's new) that you included him in with me on that deal...
        At the outset, we could hang with the dude...

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        • #34
          Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

          Originally posted by Leather helmet View Post
          I suggest we ... include 7 teams in the top ten. That would eliminate the marginal teams.
          given that the top CHA team is guaranteed a spot, those are the only ones that matter

          8 thru 10 are just window dressing

          Originally posted by Offsides Guy View Post
          I keep feeling like UMD is being overrated. I haven't done the research enough to recommend the team to take their place but it seems like getting swept by Bemidji and losing to Q alone would keep them out of the Top Ten.
          how about Bemidji? they have a better record, plus as you mentioned, swept UMD

          but if you look at the teams outside the top nine, which team would you say has the best chance to make the NCAA, and which has the best chance to win it?

          I can't see any other team than UMD taking a conference tournament.
          And if any of the 10 thru 36 made the tournament, IMO only UMD would have a legitimate shot at winning it
          Last edited by pokechecker; 12-10-2019, 12:30 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by pokechecker View Post
            given that the top CHA team is guaranteed a spot, those are the only ones that matter

            8 thru 10 are just window dressing



            how about Bemidji? they have a better record, plus as you mentioned, swept UMD

            but if you look at the teams outside the top nine, which team would you say has the best chance to make the NCAA, and which has the best chance to win it?

            I can't see any other team than UMD taking a conference tournament.
            And if any of the 10 thru 36 made the tournament, IMO only UMD would have a legitimate shot at winning it
            I would love to see Bemidji in the top 10 but their early season losses and ties with Lindenwood and Providence put them in a deep hole. If they can pull off, say, 3 wins out of their second half series with WI, MN, OSU & UMD - and beat who they’re supposed to - I think then there’s a case to put them in the top 10.

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            • #36
              Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

              As another measure, KRACH right now isn't sold on Hockey East teams. It has Northeastern down at #7, which seems too low to me, and BC at #14 -- two spots below Bemidji.
              https://www.uscho.com/rankings/krach/d-i-women/

              Code:
              Rank	Team	        Rating	
              1	Wisconsin	9633.
              2	Minnesota	6189.	
              3	Cornell	        4899.	
              4	Ohio State	2059.	
              5	Princeton	1372.	
              6	Clarkson	1039.	
              7	Northeastern	931.2	
              8	Minnesota Duluth	631.7	
              9	Harvard	                528.6	
              10	Boston University	515.1	
              11	Robert Morris	406.4	
              12	Bemidji State	385.8	
              13	Colgate	        334.2	
              14	Boston College  301.0
              "... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
              And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ARM View Post
                As another measure, KRACH right now isn't sold on Hockey East teams. It has Northeastern down at #7, which seems too low to me, and BC at #14 -- two spots below Bemidji.
                https://www.uscho.com/rankings/krach/d-i-women/

                Code:
                Rank	Team	        Rating	
                1	Wisconsin	9633.
                2	Minnesota	6189.	
                3	Cornell	        4899.	
                4	Ohio State	2059.	
                5	Princeton	1372.	
                6	Clarkson	1039.	
                7	Northeastern	931.2	
                8	Minnesota Duluth	631.7	
                9	Harvard	                528.6	
                10	Boston University	515.1	
                11	Robert Morris	406.4	
                12	Bemidji State	385.8	
                13	Colgate	        334.2	
                14	Boston College  301.0
                Yeah that's DEFINITELY wrong. They have a bug somewhere. The strength of schedule numbers are in outer space (LIU played Wisconsin twice and their SOS is literally a decimal lol).

                My calculator has NU in 5th: https://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...ach-calculator
                Last edited by TonyTheTiger20; 12-10-2019, 02:49 PM.
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                • #38
                  Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

                  Originally posted by Offsides Guy View Post
                  I would love to see Bemidji in the top 10 but their early season losses and ties with Lindenwood and Providence put them in a deep hole. If they can pull off, say, 3 wins out of their second half series with WI, MN, OSU & UMD - and beat who they’re supposed to - I think then there’s a case to put them in the top 10.
                  I’m not suggesting they should be, just saying there is a case for them being ranked above UMD.

                  In fact, the same argument could be made with UM & UW, how can you rank UW above UM, when they have played two games and couldn’t win either of them? Anybody who saw those games knows which is the better team. I really don’t think either of those two teams deserve the #1 right now.
                  IMO, Cornell has the best argument for #1, a tie to Princeton, who Cornell came back to convincingly beat, and a loss to tOSU, and at this point, a loss to them doesn’t look like what it did earlier.
                  In any case, it is pretty tight at one thru four, IMO
                  tOSU has to beat UW to prove they are also in the top tier

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                  • #39
                    Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

                    USCHO Division I Women's Poll – January 6, 2020
                    Rnk Team (Last Poll)
                    1 Wisconsin (1)
                    2 Minnesota (2)
                    3 Northeastern (3)
                    4 Cornell (4)
                    5 Clarkson (6)
                    5 Ohio State (5)
                    7 Princeton (7)
                    8 Boston University (8)
                    9 Harvard (NR)
                    10 Minnesota Duluth (10)
                    Others receiving votes: Boston College 8, Robert Morris 5, Providence 4

                    No change in the Top 4 since the last poll taken nearly a month ago on December 9th. Changes below those Top 4 include Clarkson moving into a tie at No. 5 with Ohio State, Harvard rejoining the poll at No. 9, and Boston College dropping out of the poll after having lost their last four games, including two to Hockey East rival Boston University.
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                    • #40
                      Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

                      Originally posted by D2D View Post
                      USCHO Division I Women's Poll – January 6, 2020
                      Rnk Team (Last Poll)
                      1 Wisconsin (1)
                      2 Minnesota (2)
                      3 Northeastern (3)
                      4 Cornell (4)
                      5 Clarkson (6)
                      5 Ohio State (5)
                      7 Princeton (7)
                      8 Boston University (8)
                      9 Harvard (NR)
                      10 Minnesota Duluth (10)
                      Others receiving votes: Boston College 8, Robert Morris 5, Providence 4

                      No change in the Top 4 since the last poll taken nearly a month ago on December 9th. Changes below those Top 4 include Clarkson moving into a tie at No. 5 with Ohio State, Harvard rejoining the poll at No. 9, and Boston College dropping out of the poll after having lost their last four games, including two to Hockey East rival Boston University.
                      I think UW UM and NE are all on equal ground.
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                      • #41
                        Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

                        Originally posted by Timothy A View Post
                        I think UW UM and NE are all on equal ground.
                        What ground do you have Cornell on?
                        "... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
                        And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling

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                        • #42
                          Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

                          Originally posted by ARM View Post
                          What ground do you have Cornell on?
                          Higher Ground,
                          at the time, I think he was hinting at Cornell being #1
                          did they have a problem with the flu this past weekend?

                          Now I'd say UM, followed by Cornell, UW, and NE but you need a razor blade to separate them.

                          in other news, I think my suggestion that Bemidji be ranked above UMD has come to a solid yes for me

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                          • #43
                            Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

                            Originally posted by ARM View Post
                            What ground do you have Cornell on?
                            I don' know if this is what PC is referencing but from 1973's "Innervisions"...

                            Higher Ground
                            At the outset, we could hang with the dude...

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                            • #44
                              Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

                              much prefer the version by the only hip hop band worth a dam
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZySqMlEuSQ

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                              • #45
                                Re: 2019 - 20 Rankings

                                Originally posted by pokechecker View Post
                                much prefer the version by the only hip hop band worth a dam
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZySqMlEuSQ
                                I can appreciate that...That is a good cover.

                                This might be what Bluffrinkrat prefers...

                                Higher Ground

                                And if I'm going with a cover this one's production quality, drummers, and horn section is soooo good.

                                Higher Ground
                                Last edited by FiveHoleFrenzy; 01-13-2020, 11:01 AM. Reason: Covers
                                At the outset, we could hang with the dude...

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