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  • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

    Originally posted by The Rube View Post
    It would be interesting to see certain analytics, like WHIP and such. ERA is overated a little. W-L is definitely overrated. I think he's a lower-end "in" but he should be in. He's along the lines of Bert, without taking a closer look.
    I'm curious how people reconcile stats like WHIP with the fact that pitchers like Morris threw a ton more innings than pitchers of today. Not only would that lead to a more tired arm towards the end of the game but the same batters faced you more times per game. Morris threw 175 complete games in his career. He also topped 240 innings 10 times in his career including at age 37. Aside from maybe Verlander is there anybody today who could even attempt this without their arms falling off? I never pitched in the majors myself so will defer to anyone out here who has, but it seems to me being in the game in the 9th inning and having to face Reggie Jackson, Rod Carew or George Brett for the 4th or 5th time after having thrown 130 pitches might have an effect on your WHIP or ERA that doesn't happen if you come out with 1 out in the 6th inning and turn the game over to the bullpen.

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    • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

      A single pitch today is far different than a pitch in the 90s. It’s much more damaging.

      You can’t really compare IP between eras. Fat drunks like Ruth could be great pitchers a hundred years ago. Batting practice today is probably more difficult to hit.
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      • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

        Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
        A single pitch today is far different than a pitch in the 90s. It’s much more damaging.

        You can’t really compare IP between eras. Fat drunks like Ruth could be great pitchers a hundred years ago. Batting practice today is probably more difficult to hit.
        It's true pitches are now arm destroyers but, mandatory: when Ruth was young and a pitcher he wasn't the fat slob he was as a power hitter. He was actually trim and an excellent athlete.
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        • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          It's true pitches are now arm destroyers but, mandatory: when Ruth was young and a pitcher he wasn't the fat slob he was as a power hitter. He was actually trim and an excellent athlete.
          Thank you. I was about to jump all over dx. The ignorance some people have towards Ruth is amazing.
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          • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

            meh
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            • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

              Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
              meh
              Hardly matters anyway.
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              • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

                Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                A single pitch today is far different than a pitch in the 90s. It’s much more damaging.

                You can’t really compare IP between eras. Fat drunks like Ruth could be great pitchers a hundred years ago. Batting practice today is probably more difficult to hit.
                I've mentioned it before, and I'll mention it again. Watch "Fastball" documentary. I bet today's coaches would recoil on numbers of innings pitched and how past pitchers pitched.

                IIRC, Nolan hit his fastest pitch ever in the NINTH INNING of a game, and well past the current (accepted) 100 pitch count.

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                • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

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                  • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

                    Originally posted by Twitch Boy View Post
                    Mariners part 5: Ichiro quotes, A-Rod, the 116-win season, and Mike Blowers is a witch, burn him.

                    "Like an astronaut who brought his wallet." I love it.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6AI_FJWZPY
                    Fun fact: Ichiro did a stretching routine in right field after every pitch. After. Every. Pitch. By August you could see where they had to replace the sod in right field where Ichiro stood.
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                    • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

                      Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                      Fun fact: Ichiro did a stretching routine in right field after every pitch. After. Every. Pitch. By August you could see where they had to replace the sod in right field where Ichiro stood.
                      This surprises me precisely zero percent.

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                      • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

                        Really disappointed he didn't touch on Ichiro being the best Latin American baseball player in history. Ichiro realized the latin ball players were like him: didn't know English well at first, new customs, new faces, and not many of "your own kind." So he learned Spanish just so he could trash talk them. And they embraced him as one of their own. There was a photo from, I want to say one of the all-star games, of only the latin ballplayers. And there is Ichiro right in the middle of it, they included him.

                        Also, Ichiro learned English well, but continued to use a translator to ensure his tone/words were consistant. He was quoted as saying when he talks baseball, he speaks from the heart, and doesn't want to mix words, despite his conversational English being decent.

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                        • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

                          Originally posted by The Rube View Post
                          I've mentioned it before, and I'll mention it again. Watch "Fastball" documentary. I bet today's coaches would recoil on numbers of innings pitched and how past pitchers pitched.

                          IIRC, Nolan hit his fastest pitch ever in the NINTH INNING of a game, and well past the current (accepted) 100 pitch count.

                          Edit: not calling you out, this post is prob most relevant......
                          Verlander's like that too.

                          If he's throwing 95-96 to start, he's not on, he's pushing hard to compensate, and he'll burn out by the 6th.

                          If he's throwing 91-92 to start...look out below. He'll be firing 98 by the 8th.
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                          • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

                            Originally posted by aparch View Post
                            Really disappointed he didn't touch on Ichiro being the best Latin American baseball player in history. Ichiro realized the latin ball players were like him: didn't know English well at first, new customs, new faces, and not many of "your own kind." So he learned Spanish just so he could trash talk them. And they embraced him as one of their own. There was a photo from, I want to say one of the all-star games, of only the latin ballplayers. And there is Ichiro right in the middle of it, they included him.

                            Also, Ichiro learned English well, but continued to use a translator to ensure his tone/words were consistant. He was quoted as saying when he talks baseball, he speaks from the heart, and doesn't want to mix words, despite his conversational English being decent.

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