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Originally posted by Timothy A View PostI don't think goals 1 and 3 have anything to do with lack of experience, and I'm not sure goal 2 did either.
Personally I don't like a goalie rotation system unless it's a set game 1 goes to x player and game 2 goes to y player. Play the best one and go for it.Originally posted by Timothy A View PostNo matter how bored ARD or Rigsby were, I never saw them have a game like a I saw Saturday.
On the other hand, I do think that falling behind in the WCHA is not a recipe for success. Even the weaker teams are pretty effective at protecting multiple-goal leads. Many offenses, even those that are high-scoring, start to press when they're looking at a deficit."... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling
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Originally posted by ARM View PostYou can't have it both ways. If you play one goalie all of the time, and then she gets hurt, be prepared for a drop in effectiveness when your backup goalie has sat on the bench for two years. Sidney Peters redshirted a year and then played the equivalent of about 15 games over the next two seasons. By the time she took over as the No. 1 goalie as a redshirt junior, there was definitely rust in her game, and she didn't always react to things that were happening at game speed. If the backup goalie goes more than a season with irregular work, she isn't going to be as sharp as a goalie who sees the ice almost every weekend.
On the other hand, I do think that falling behind in the WCHA is not a recipe for success. Even the weaker teams are pretty effective at protecting multiple-goal leads. Many offenses, even those that are high-scoring, start to press when they're looking at a deficit.
The wild card in all of this is Cece, a Sr. goalie who was listed in the game day roster sheets as the primary back-up many many times over the last 4 years. She apparently was suspended. I wonder if she was still with the team if she would have started some of these games.
Also, the fact that this did happen shows why you can't stick your backup into the starter's role against a weak opponent and assume you are going to win (in a tight race as usual). Also, historically, the back-up for UW is usually a star in the waiting, so it's not a big deal. ARD looked awesome when she filled in for Rigsby.Wisconsin Hockey: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 WE WANT MORE!
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Originally posted by Offsides Guy View PostThey lost because of slow ice??!! This sounds like a Muzz presser after a loss.
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Originally posted by Leather helmet View PostIn baseball, groundskeepers are known to tweak the field conditions to suit their team, such as packing the dirt in front of the plate or leaving the infield grass a little long. Maybe rink managers around the WCHA will start dialing up the ice temperature by a degree or so when the Badgers come to town.
(Friday's game, Wisconsin put 37 shots on goal; On Saturday, 36 SOG. On Friday, Mankato put 12 shots on goal; On Saturday, 11 SOG.)Last edited by robertearle; 02-12-2020, 02:06 PM.
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Originally posted by robertearle View PostThey thought of it between Friday's game and Saturday's game?
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Originally posted by Offsides Guy View PostThey lost because of slow ice??!!
They lost in part because of their inability to adjust to slow ice??!!
As I said, it's interesting to hear that, because I find that Minnesota usually struggles more to make that adaptation than Wisconsin does, but the Gophers have done a really good job adjusting to bad ice this year.
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Originally posted by Still Eeyore View PostLet's see if we can edit this sentence so that it doesn't misrepresent what NMH said, shall we?
Only an idiot would deny that the characteristics of the ice surface can affect the play, and that it's going to affect different teams in different ways. Some teams are going to benefit from slower ice, and other teams are going to be hurt by it. And it's neither surprising nor nefarious that teams that fall into the former category might opt to produce slower ice when one of the latter teams comes to visit. As NMH said, if you want to be a great team, you need to be able to adapt to that. If Wisconsin can't do that, it's on them. There's a difference between an explanation of what happened and an excuse for what happened. NMH was positing the first, not the second. I didn't watch Sunday's game, or the Badgers' loss up in Bemidji, so I can't offer an opinion as to whether that's a correct assessment, though it does sound plausible.
As I said, it's interesting to hear that, because I find that Minnesota usually struggles more to make that adaptation than Wisconsin does, but the Gophers have done a really good job adjusting to bad ice this year.
I was at the Bemidji/WI series and can tell you ice had nothing to do with the outcome even though Sanford is known for soft ice. The Beavers simply worked much harder in Saturday's win than they did in Fri's loss and their goaltending once again shined. It was similar to the recent Beaver/Gopher series (though BSU didn't get a win obviously) in which the Beavers worked much harder in Saturday's game making it much more of a contest.
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Originally posted by Offsides Guy View PostNMH said, "In both cases it was clear the ice was playing slow and the Badgers had no idea what to do about it. They couldn't play their usual fast game and they couldn't rely on crisp passes as the puck wasn't moving like they wanted it to and then they were just totally lost and it showed." Sorry, but that's laying the blame on the ice as the cause of their troubles and the loss.
I have no problem believing that the Beavers worked hard."... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling
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Originally posted by ARM View PostYou're free to reach your own conclusions, but I agree with NMH and Eeyore on this one. There are days where the ice can vary (more/less snow, water at the start of the period, whatever). Some days, the pucks don't seem properly chilled and they're bouncing all over. In all of these cases, both teams have to deal with the same factors. IMO, NMH is placing the ultimate blame on the Badgers' failure to adjust, more so than on the conditions. I don't view it as sour grapes.
I have no problem believing that the Beavers worked hard.
On Friday, Wisconsin managed to get shots to go in; on Saturday they didn't. On Saturday, Mankato got shots to go in; on Friday, they didn't. It happens.
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Originally posted by Offsides Guy View PostNMH said, "In both cases it was clear the ice was playing slow and the Badgers had no idea what to do about it. They couldn't play their usual fast game and they couldn't rely on crisp passes as the puck wasn't moving like they wanted it to and then they were just totally lost and it showed." Sorry, but that's laying the blame on the ice as the cause of their troubles and the loss.
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Originally posted by robertearle View PostWisconsin put as many shots on goal against Mankato on Saturday as they did on Friday; Wisconsin allowed the same number of shots on goal on Saturday as they did on Friday. Any issue with the quality of the ice does not seem to have changed that 'output' from Friday to Saturday.
On Friday, Wisconsin managed to get shots to go in; on Saturday they didn't. On Saturday, Mankato got shots to go in; on Friday, they didn't. It happens.
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