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  • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

    The talent (lack thereof) is entirely Vines's fault. The team is pretty much all of "his players". The problem is he doesn't recruit good players. Only reason the team was even respectable before was because he was gifted a generational goaltender. With that generational talent, they couldn't even crack a winning record. He needs to be outed; 9/18 games this season, we have been shutout. It's embarrassing.

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    • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

      Originally posted by sezenack View Post
      The talent (lack thereof) is entirely Vines's fault. The team is pretty much all of "his players". The problem is he doesn't recruit good players. Only reason the team was even respectable before was because he was gifted a generational goaltender. With that generational talent, they couldn't even crack a winning record. He needs to be outed; 9/18 games this season, we have been shutout. It's embarrassing.
      This is so incredibly misinformed. The first class Vines got when he was hired was all Burkie's recruits. The second class is 1/2 Burke's recruits. Question, how come you are quick on the trigger for Bryan's head when you make every excuse in the world for Dave on the Men's thread?
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      • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

        Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
        This is so incredibly misinformed. The first class Vines got when he was hired was all Burkie's recruits. The second class is 1/2 Burke's recruits. Question, how come you are quick on the trigger for Bryan's head when you make every excuse in the world for Dave on the Men's thread?
        And why are you just the opposite? They both came the same year. I do agree that Vines deserves more time and the falloff from last year is due to one thing, Selander graduating. It is, however, the case that the RPI women are not performing as well as the pre-Selander teams.
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        • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

          Women's recruiting is entirely different then Men's. Girls come directly out of high school where men will play Jr.'s up to 3 years post high school graduation. So if you do not get kids by their junior year in HS you are behind. Vines was hired in July of his 1st year giving him no time to recruit. His 2nd yr was mostly what was left on the tree that hadn't been recruited yet. This is his 1st recruited class; he was also stuck with some recruit mistakes from the last staff and to his credit he honored the scholarships. With regard to this season he has had a ton of injuries and has not been able to field an entire roster for the last 3 or 4 weeks.
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          • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

            Originally posted by sezenack View Post
            The talent (lack thereof) is entirely Vines's fault. The team is pretty much all of "his players". The problem is he doesn't recruit good players. Only reason the team was even respectable before was because he was gifted a generational goaltender. With that generational talent, they couldn't even crack a winning record. He needs to be outed; 9/18 games this season, we have been shutout. It's embarrassing.
            I am not an expert, but I would guess the talent pool on the women's
            side is smaller than the men's for a variety of reasons.( fewer women's teams pre college, more recent start to women's teams, etc) That being said, the men and the women have a very similar problem: getting good hockey players to play there. Players have to want to come to RPI: to play on a team that wins a lot, because the coach is great,because the facilities are top notch, or because people want to go to school there more than other places. How many of those boxes can a good hockey players,man or woman, check off when trying to decide? Replacing Vines or Smith will accomplish what exactly if the replacement is on a similar level as Vines or Smith? I go to the women's games whenever I can. I enjoy the games and the women display passion for the game and play their best game in and game out. I agree some things like different line combinations might help but only so much. Unfortunately, it is what it is.

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            • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

              Originally posted by lugnut92 View Post
              but it's hard to hire a good new coach because the team is bad
              Vines was an assistant coach for the men's team for ten years until Smith came onboard.
              There is "hard to hire" and then there is just being lazy.

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              • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

                Originally posted by theMarksman View Post
                Vines was an assistant coach for the men's team for ten years until Smith came onboard.
                There is "hard to hire" and then there is just being lazy.

                And Burke was a men's assistant under Fridgen when Bill Cahill died. What's your point?
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                • Originally posted by jericho View Post
                  And Burke was a men's assistant under Fridgen when Bill Cahill died. What's your point?
                  Two games against union Dartmouth and one against Brown. Do you think RPI can win one of those?

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                  • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

                    Originally posted by Reddington View Post
                    Two games against union Dartmouth and one against Brown. Do you think RPI can win one of those?
                    If they're on the ice, they have a chance.
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                    • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

                      Originally posted by theMarksman View Post
                      Vines was an assistant coach for the men's team for ten years until Smith came onboard.
                      There is "hard to hire" and then there is just being lazy.
                      You're absolutely right. They didn't try. The issue is that moving forward, it will continue to be very difficult to attract talent, either on or behind the bench.
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                      • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

                        Originally posted by jericho View Post
                        If they're on the ice, they have a chance.
                        On the flip side if they don't score then there is 0% chance of winning (Unless you count ties as 1/2 of a win then they will have 2 wins )
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                        • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

                          Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
                          This is so incredibly misinformed. The first class Vines got when he was hired was all Burkie's recruits. The second class is 1/2 Burke's recruits. Question, how come you are quick on the trigger for Bryan's head when you make every excuse in the world for Dave on the Men's thread?
                          Because the women's team is literally winless, and have gotten worse under Vines, while the on-ice product is improving under Smith.

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                          • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

                            Ho hum 2 more shutouts, 10/19 games we have been shutout. LIU is a first year program and I'd bet money that they would beat us easily

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                            • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

                              I'm have no affiliation with RPI and am somewhat new to women's hockey outside of the national teams, but I have become fascinated with RPIs season.

                              From this thread, and stats it was clear that Lovisa was beyond exceptional, and the GAA this year is notable of that change.

                              What I cannot reconcile is the four goals against Clarkson.

                              That's 2x the teams historical average, 3x last year's average, 8x the average of all other games this season and amounting to over 30% of this season's total goals.

                              Why?
                              What was different with that game?

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                              • Re: RPI 2019-2020: Life after Lovisa

                                Originally posted by theMarksman View Post
                                I'm have no affiliation with RPI and am somewhat new to women's hockey outside of the national teams, but I have become fascinated with RPIs season.

                                From this thread, and stats it was clear that Lovisa was beyond exceptional, and the GAA this year is notable of that change.

                                What I cannot reconcile is the four goals against Clarkson.

                                That's 2x the teams historical average, 3x last year's average, 8x the average of all other games this season and amounting to over 30% of this season's total goals.

                                Why?
                                What was different with that game?
                                Clarkson's starting goalie played poorly (five hole on the first goal that should have been stopped and poor puck control ie rebounds) and the defense throughout the game gave RPI too many good looks that for some reason RPI scored.
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