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  • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

    Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    You can argue it, but I've never believed the D should take the pass. Always think the D should close on the puck carrier as early as possible and try to separate him from the puck. Force them to do more things at a speed that's less comfortable for them to beat you, i.e. pass, catch, shoot. (Of course the goalie should know you are going to be taking the puck.) Make them beat you and then also beat your goalie to score.
    Ask the goalie what they want and do that.

    I always want my D to take the pass, it forces the shooter to stay to the one side and it allows me to focus on one angle on the side. If they force the player skating with the puck to pass and it gets through them, then you typically have a 1-0 where the goalie is at a massive disadvantage. Just my personal thoughts on the matter.
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    • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

      Originally posted by gwhinwi View Post
      Ask the goalie what they want and do that.

      I always want my D to take the pass, it forces the shooter to stay to the one side and it allows me to focus on one angle on the side. If they force the player skating with the puck to pass and it gets through them, then you typically have a 1-0 where the goalie is at a massive disadvantage. Just my personal thoughts on the matter.
      Of course the goalie wants it to be easiest for the goalie!


      I just don't think it's completely logical. To start with, playing the pass is going to result in a SOG nearly 100% of the time. Presumably at least some percentage of the time playing the carrier is going to result in no SOG. So SOG's are reduced one way and not the other. (btw- all this with the caveat that it may not apply to all NHL situations, if for example Crosby is coming in 2-1 with the puck you're probably screwed no matter what you do. Kick the net off is probably best) But anyway, what I want to do is always make it harder on them, as opposed to just easier on us. Pressure the puck and the carrier either loses it, or attempts to shoot or pass. Perfect shot beats you either way but it's harder to make with a D all over the shooter. So the carrier has to make a good pass, and as DC points out, on top of the carrier is probably the best place to be to contest the pass anyway. In any case, pass or shoot is one thing they have to do. Make them do 3 things, and on your schedule not theirs. Pass, Catch, and then Shoot to beat the goalie who should be pretty darn sure the shot is coming from the pass receiver as soon as things start to develop. Odds of 3 consecutive actions going perfectly are just greater than one action going perfectly so that's the way I'm going to be betting.

      Thinking about this reminds me of a play The Hammer made when a pass came through the crease to the back door in the 3rd. He got his stick in there and deflected the puck to the wall. Awesome play that, to me, you just don't see enough goalies try to make there.
      Originally posted by WiscTJK
      I'm with Wisko and Tim.
      Originally posted by Timothy A
      Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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      • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

        Originally posted by techtodenver View Post
        It was a nice series, you honored the 4 year arrangement to travel to the middle of nowhere twice so I respect Wisconsin a lot. Minnesota backed right out of our agreement. Our older team is very structured but I’m proud to say for the most part we play a clean hard game, if I were a Wisconsin fan I’d think our young team really grew over the weekend. Your whole defensive group struggled in their own end against Brosseau - Dunne - Egle all weekend and on Saturday especially Lebedeff bailed you out against that line especially. I know most of you don’t follow the ECAC but you guys or maybe Cornell were the toughest remaining games on our schedule, we should steamroll through the ECAC and even our non conference series against Arizona State, Michigan Tech, and SLU so we should be a top 10 Pairwise team, I guess a bubble team at our worst so that split shouldn’t hurt at all. Good luck the rest of the season and maybe we will meet again.
        Thanks for the feedback. This is the kind of thing that makes college hockey fans the best in sport. I went Friday. Impressive win for your boys. I see all the teams that come in and on TV. Your coaching staff does a great job teaching the game.

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        • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

          I know we all love the old days and the WCHA rivalries and all that jazz.... but I got to tell you fellas, I have come to hate PSU as much or more than anybody else ever.


          And some of these guys on their roster - Folkes, Biro, Smirnov, Sucese, that freakin' giant Pavlychev... what are these pheasants? Like 34 years old now? God, I hate this bunch of Sallys.
          Originally posted by WiscTJK
          I'm with Wisko and Tim.
          Originally posted by Timothy A
          Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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          • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

            Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
            I know we all love the old days and the WCHA rivalries and all that jazz.... but I got to tell you fellas, I have come to hate PSU as much or more than anybody else ever.


            And some of these guys on their roster - Folkes, Biro, Smirnov, Sucese, that freakin' giant Pavlychev... what are these pheasants? Like 34 years old now? God, I hate this bunch of Sallys.
            Woah woah woah, slow down before you say something you will regret.

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            • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

              I’m fine with letting the Sandusky thing stain absolutely everything about that school for the rest of my life.

              Having a legitimate reason to hate the hockey program is just icing on the cake.
              If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me

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              At his graduation ceremony from the U of Minnesota, my cousin got a keychain. When asked what UW gave her for graduation, my sister said, "A degree from a University that matters."

              Canned music is a pathetic waste of your time.

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              • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

                Originally posted by druzy192 View Post
                Lots of crickets when the badgers win huh? Weird. Wins a win.
                I know this isn't specific to me, but I didn't see the game or hear for that matter on Saturday so I can't comment on how they played. I call it the way I see it good or bad. I tend to be a bit negative but solo has me beat most of the time.
                Last edited by WiscTJK; 10-28-2019, 10:28 AM.
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                • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

                  Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
                  I’m fine with letting the Sandusky thing stain absolutely everything about that school for the rest of my life.

                  Having a legitimate reason to hate the hockey program is just icing on the cake.
                  It's important that Sandusky and the actions of PSU officials surrounding him, including and especially Paterno, (Man... Paterno - Once one of the most respected men in America. I couldn't have been more shocked if you told me John Wayne was actually a female KGB spy for 50 years.) not be forgotten.

                  Having said that though, the broad brush painting of the current students, athletes, and staff at PSU (that had absolutely nothing to do with any of it) with the Pedo tag makes me feel a bit queezy. If my kid was lucky enough to receive a scholly to play there and I was in the stands next to some idiot shouting about how PSU is all a bunch of pedophiles, we'd probably have words.

                  Having said THAT though, as far as their hockey players go -- Surprised Gadowsky doesn't open a bakery shop with all those muffins he has.
                  Originally posted by WiscTJK
                  I'm with Wisko and Tim.
                  Originally posted by Timothy A
                  Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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                  • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

                    Originally posted by druzy192 View Post
                    Lots of crickets when the badgers win huh? Weird. Wins a win.
                    I listened to both games on the radio and the D zone coverage/play was not good. I don't understand how a bunch of NHL caliber can play poorly in their own D zone and even be lazy in doing so. Maybe the drafted guys who play poorly need to be benched. It's especially troubling with Oz on the staff. At this rate, this team WILL be a one year wonder because the foundation is nothing but sand. I am troubled. I am going to watch the Friday game at some point this week to see for myself, but I trust Vogel/Posick/Perrin on the radio.

                    At this point, though he isn't necessarily scoring, he's doing everything but, Holloway looks like a one and done, doesn't he?
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                    • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

                      Originally posted by Timothy A View Post
                      I listened to both games on the radio and the D zone coverage/play was not good. I don't understand how a bunch of NHL caliber can play poorly in their own D zone and even be lazy in doing so. Maybe the drafted guys who play poorly need to be benched. It's especially troubling with Oz on the staff. At this rate, this team WILL be a one year wonder because the foundation is nothing but sand. I am troubled. I am going to watch the Friday game at some point this week to see for myself, but I trust Vogel/Posick/Perrin on the radio.

                      At this point, though he isn't necessarily scoring, he's doing everything but, Holloway looks like a one and done, doesn't he?
                      Amen on the bolded part! You are right one. It's like they are trying so hard to be offensive that they forget they are defensemen.....
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                      • Originally posted by WiscTJK View Post
                        I know this isn't specific to me, but I didn't see the game or hear for that matter on Saturday so I can't comment on how they played. I call it the way I see it good or bad. I tend to be a bit negative but solo has me beat most of the time.
                        Ditto

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                        • Originally posted by WiscTJK View Post
                          Amen on the bolded part! You are right one. It's like they are trying so hard to be offensive that they forget they are defensemen.....
                          Miller and Kalynuk are the biggest culprits to bad play in the defensive zone. Our offensive defensemen. Not really surprised on that one.

                          Good news! Turcotte is back at practice today!

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                          • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

                            Originally posted by Timothy A View Post
                            I don't understand how a bunch of NHL caliber can play poorly in their own D zone and even be lazy in doing so.
                            They're NCAA-caliber. If they were NHL-caliber they would be in the NHL and getting paid to play.

                            Sometimes I need to remind myself of this when watching a college game.
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                            The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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                            • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

                              Originally posted by Timothy A View Post
                              .

                              At this point, though he isn't necessarily scoring, he's doing everything but, Holloway looks like a one and done, doesn't he?
                              Holloway is really strong on the puck and really good without the puck and will obviously be a dominating NCAA player sometime soon. He's got a ways to go though to be NHL ready so my feeling now is that I would be surprised if he is one and done. Back here after he's drafted next year and then on to the show seems most likely to me at this point.

                              Turcotte will probably be good enough, but I feel right now that there's a strong chance he would come back. His dad, Alfie, a brilliant player at 18, is a bit of a cautionary tale of what can happen when you go up the ladder too soon, something Alfie has talked about on occasion. He's also said that he thinks kids are going up too fast, there's no hurry, and they aren't taking time to grow up or enjoy their time where they are. He's said once you sign the contract, the game isn't just a game, it's a job, and that changes everything about it and you need to be really sure your prepared and ready for that. That's all encouraging to me.

                              Seems like it will be hard to keep the Habs mitts off of Caufield as the crazy fans there are always clamoring for more scoring, and Caufield could probably be a PP specialist right now even if the rest of his game does still need polishing.

                              Long season yet so it's hard to say how it will all go. This spring will be an ultra nervous one for us though for sure.
                              Originally posted by WiscTJK
                              I'm with Wisko and Tim.
                              Originally posted by Timothy A
                              Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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                              • Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive

                                Originally posted by KaMiGo View Post
                                Updates after the UMD series (W 6-2, W 3-1)

                                Record: 3-1-0
                                USCHO Poll: 6
                                USA Today Poll: 6
                                PWR: 15
                                RPI: 15
                                KRACH: not available
                                Scoring: 5.75 GPG; 1st
                                Defense: 3.25 GAPG; 39th
                                Power Play Goals: 7; 1st
                                Power Play Rate: 38.89% (7 of 18); 3rd
                                Penalty Kill Rate: 88.24% (15 of 17), 20th
                                Penalty Min per Game: 13.75; 18th (1st is worst)
                                Shorthanded Goals Scored; 3; 1st
                                Shorthanded Goals Allowed: 0; 1st
                                Team Faceoff: 48.7%; 30th
                                Updates after the Clarkson series (L 0-4, W 4-3)

                                Record: 4-2-0
                                USCHO Poll: 7
                                USA Today Poll: (not yet released, will update)
                                PWR: 8
                                RPI: 8
                                KRACH: not available
                                Scoring: 4.5 GPG; 2nd
                                Defense: 3.33 GAPG; 44th
                                Power Play Goals: 7; 1st
                                Power Play Rate: 25.00% (7 of 28); 8th
                                Penalty Kill Rate: 90.91% (20 of 22), 20th
                                Penalty Min per Game: 10.83; 36th (1st is worst)
                                Shorthanded Goals Scored; 3; 1st
                                Shorthanded Goals Allowed: 0; 1st
                                Team Faceoff: 50.6%; 22nd

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