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    It’s hard to envision paths forward for UAH that don’t involve either:

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    B- Other hockey programs appearing from nothingness in the South.
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    I may be (and am frequently) wrong but I thought the B1G has had a policy that dictates the formation of a B1G conference if 6 or more member schools compete at the D1 level in any sport and all member schools playing in said sport are obligated to compete in the B1G unless there is no B1G conference in that sport.

    If that is the case, as soon as Terry Pegula bought Penn State a team, the 6-team requirement was met and the other five had no choice but to leave the WCHA and CCHA.

    IMHO neither the WCHA (10 teams) nor the CCHA (8 teams) would have folded. Both had a good mix of schools and other than the AK schools they had relatively easy travel. Having the AK schools split between the tow made having them in conference a bit more tolerable.

    So, if I am right about the B1G, I lay the responsibility of this whole mess squarely at the feet of DU and UND as the Nacho instigators.

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    That obviously is a lie because PSU had a hockey team a year before the B1G had a hockey conference. If it was a steadfast rule, the B1G would have happen a year earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost_Husky View Post
    WMU has value to the Nachos as Michigan is a decent/good recruiting base.

    there isn't much value for Miami being in the Nacho. Outside of Miami and the random Blue Jacket's fan, very few in SE Ohio knows hockey exists. The value they might add is a rival for WMU and nice barn.
    Oxford’s in SW Ohio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    That obviously is a lie because PSU had a hockey team a year before the B1G had a hockey conference. If it was a steadfast rule, the B1G would have happen a year earlier.
    The first year for Penn State was their transition year. They played a mixed schedule that included club & D-3 teams. Then when they went full NCAA, that’s when the Big Ten league began.

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    The first year for Penn State was their transition year. They played a mixed schedule that included club & D-3 teams. Then when they went full NCAA, that’s when the Big Ten league began.

    This is the way I remember it as well. As I also recall, Alvarez in Wisconsin was the one who pushed that rule, although i can't remember the reasoning, and it really didn't have anything to do with hockey, but hockey got caught by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    That obviously is a lie because PSU had a hockey team a year before the B1G had a hockey conference. If it was a steadfast rule, the B1G would have happen a year earlier.
    I knew they played one season as an independent but I thought that was logistics of scheduling and getting the other five out of their conferences. So as I said, I'm frequently wrong about what I think I heard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    That obviously is a lie because PSU had a hockey team a year before the B1G had a hockey conference. If it was a steadfast rule, the B1G would have happen a year earlier.
    No, it happened as quick as it could.

    9/17/2010 - Pegula donation official. PSU to become newest NCAA D1 Hockey school.
    While there is a question of where the women will be assigned, multiple sources say the men’s program will join Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State and the University of Wisconsin under the banner of the Big Ten by 2014-15.

    A league needs at least six members to be sanctioned by the NCAA. The Big Ten would have that on the men’s side, but only Minnesota, Ohio State and UW have women’s hockey.

    “We plan to have many conversations both internally with our chancellors, presidents, administrators and coaches, and externally with the hockey community as a whole as we endeavor to balance all the unique interests in play,” Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said in a statement, adding that a conference championship likely wouldn’t take place until 2014-15.

    A discussion on the matter is set for next month during Big Ten meetings in Chicago.
    The effect of a Big Ten men’s league mainly will be felt in the Central Collegiate Hockey Association and Western Collegiate Hockey Association.

    Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State are members of the 11-team CCHA, which is about to embark on its 40th season. Minnesota and UW are members of the 12-team WCHA, which began play in 1959.

    Both commissioners — Tom Anastos of the CCHA and Bruce McLeod of the WCHA — issued statements congratulating Penn State on its endeavor but avoided any discussion about what the future holds.

    Curley believes men’s hockey can be self-sustaining at his school and that adding men’s and women’s programs will help the sport grow in North America. He said discussions in the coming months about conference affiliation will be geared toward “trying to do what’s best for everyone.”
    https://madison.com/sports/college/h...cc4c002e0.html

    3/21/2011 - Word leaks that the B1G Conference is happening, and teams have given their two year notice.
    The Gophers will join Wisconsin of the WCHA; Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State of the Central Collegiate Hockey Association; and Penn State, which is starting a varsity hockey program in 2012-13. Big Ten rules require a minimum of six teams in a sport before they can play for a conference championship, so the Nittany Lions are the catalyst of the move.
    Those six Big Ten schools announced Monday that they are recommending the conference establish men's hockey as an official sport for the 2013-14 season and hold a tournament in March of 2014 at a site to be determined. The Big Ten council of presidents and chancellors will vote on the proposal in June, but that appears to be a formality.
    WCHA Commissioner Bruce McLeod said the conference has a tentative verbal agreement on an interlocking schedule with the Gophers and Wisconsin when they switch conferences. It calls for them to play all 10 remaining WCHA teams on a rotating schedule.
    Some high-profile teams such as Notre Dame and Miami (Ohio) of the CCHA, and North Dakota and Denver of the WCHA could break off with other teams and form a "superconference."

    McLeod said the WCHA will be fine at 10 teams. "The issue for us is we need to stick together," he said. "I hope things don't start to happen. This is hard enough on college hockey."
    https://www.startribune.com/gophers-l...key/118407989/

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    3/21/2011 - Word leaks that the B1G Conference is happening, and teams have given their two year notice.
    But we're still waiting for that college hockey video game...

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    Also, here'a an interesting read from 2009 (While I was trying to figure out when McLeod's extension was signed by "the small schools").

    https://undhockey.areavoices.com/?p=50204
    Q. How could this change things for the CCHA?

    BRUCE MCLEOD: All of us know the issues that Bowling Green and another school are having in regards to longevity and the health of their program there. It’s certainly a delicate issue. There are a number of ethical questions involved (with contacting the CCHA teams). I have a ton of respect for (CCHA commish) Tom Anastos. The water is getting muddier here in the D-I hockey lake by the day here.

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    And another trip in the wayback machine when Mercyhurst, Niagara, Robert Morris, and Canisius discussed moving as a block to the CCHA, but only if Alaska left.
    https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ne...schools_to.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by aparch View Post
    And another trip in the wayback machine when Mercyhurst, Niagara, Robert Morris, and Canisius discussed moving as a block to the CCHA, but only if Alaska left.
    https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ne...schools_to.php
    I keep forgetting that there’s a reason that we speculate about the “western” AHA schools being open to different affiliations. IIRC, the AH scholarship limitation was a key factor there and that’s an issue that’s evolved since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    I keep forgetting that there’s a reason that we speculate about the “western” AHA schools being open to different affiliations. IIRC, the AH scholarship limitation was a key factor there and that’s an issue that’s evolved since.
    Yes, and without Google confirming it, I believe the AHA amended their bylaws to allow the full 18 scholarships if a school wished to right after the dust settled with the nWCHA as a way to keep those four (and more?) happy.

    *edit* Oh, I was wrong, it took until 2016 for the league to vote (unanimously) to up the scholarships.
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    The vote to override the governor's veto will fail in the Alaska legislature. An override requires 45 of 60 votes and only 38 (24 House, 14 Senate) are present in Juneau today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    The vote to override the governor's veto will fail in the Alaska legislature. An override requires 45 of 60 votes and only 38 (24 House, 14 Senate) are present in Juneau today.
    That sucks!

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    Will the Nanooks and Seawolves even play next year if this is the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    The vote to override the governor's veto will fail in the Alaska legislature. An override requires 45 of 60 votes and only 38 (24 House, 14 Senate) are present in Juneau today.
    cowards...can't even be bothered to show up and vote...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    The vote to override the governor's veto will fail in the Alaska legislature. An override requires 45 of 60 votes and only 38 (24 House, 14 Senate) are present in Juneau today.
    Sounds like it was a ****ing match between some who wanted the Special Session in Juneau, but some wanted it in Wasilla. The ones who didn't get it where they wanted it didn't show up.

    (Edit, trying to follow all of this, I got lost on whether it is actually in Wasilla or Juneau).....
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    Rather typical. Gutless politicians on both sides of the aisle. We want something nobody likes, but we don't want to go on record for it.. go run and hide and blame everyone else..

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfmorris View Post
    Will the Nanooks and Seawolves even play next year if this is the case?

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    I find it very hard to see how either school continues with any athletics after this. How do you justify spending on athletics when around 700 of 1562 employees at UAA are being laid off and 40 degree programs are being eliminated? Students from around Alaska have received notice that their admission to UA has been placed on hold pending today's actions. With the veto being sustained, those students won't be enrolled.

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