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    Quote Originally Posted by ARM View Post
    I think that WCHODR factors in home ice.
    Not having ever used WCHODR I wasn't familiar with it, but it looks like you are right:

    https://it.stlawu.edu/~chodr/wchodr/faq.html
    "An adjustment is also made for home-ice advantage."

    How much of an adjustment is not given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D2D View Post
    How much of an adjustment is not given.
    I wonder if the math is smart enough to determine the advantage based on how well the two teams play at home versus away. Another possibility is that it is a sliding scale such that home ice isn't always worth a quarter of a goal, but might be worth more in a game that is calculated to have a 5 to 4 final than one that works out to 1.75 to 1.5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARM View Post
    I'd recommend that one not ever use the PairWise to try to predict outcomes. You're better off looking at KRACH or WCHODR. For example, WCHODR predicted OSU with 2.88 at UMD with 2.56. So you were a favorite by less than a 1/3 of a goal in a system that doesn't take into account that a team like UMD is playing better in the second half than it did in the first half. Compare that to Wisconsin being a favorite over MSU by 4.85 over 1.37 and settling for a split.
    LOL, I don't use the PairWise to predict outcomes. I just know from years of watching the PairWise that they drop teams when they lose to teams ranked below them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osualum86 View Post
    I just know from years of watching the PairWise that they drop teams when they lose to teams ranked below them.
    The PairWise drops you when you lose to teams ranked above you as well. And left to its own devices, it even wants to drop you at times for beating teams ranked far below you. The PairWise is a never-ending font of unhappiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARM View Post
    The PairWise is a never-ending font of unhappiness.
    Truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    PairWise angst is for losers. Just win baby.
    A dumb question for the experts out there but I'll ask it anyway. Am I correct the National Tournament teams are determined by just autobids and the Pairwise? In other words, are the rankings immaterial when deciding the teams?

    And realistically, this year what's the lowest you can be in the Pairwise and get in to the tournament?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offsides Guy View Post
    A dumb question for the experts out there but I'll ask it anyway. Am I correct the National Tournament teams are determined by just autobids and the Pairwise? In other words, are the rankings immaterial when deciding the teams?

    And realistically, this year what's the lowest you can be in the Pairwise and get in to the tournament?
    Though I imagine there are some 'fudge factor' statements in the 'rules' to give them some leeway, what you say here is my understanding: Autobids for the four conference tournament winners, and then the next four team as ranking in the Pairwise. So, without any upsets in the tournaments, the top seven in the current Pairwise, and (because none of the CHA teams are in the top eight of the Pairwise) the CHA winner.

    From the point of view of Ohio State (currently, at least), a #6 in the Pairwise means they would still make the NCAAs even with one tournament upset; that upset would knock out whoever is at #7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertearle View Post
    Though I imagine there are some 'fudge factor' statements in the 'rules' to give them some leeway, what you say here is my understanding: Autobids for the four conference tournament winners, and then the next four team as ranking in the Pairwise. So, without any upsets in the tournaments, the top seven in the current Pairwise, and (because none of the CHA teams are in the top eight of the Pairwise) the CHA winner.

    From the point of view of Ohio State (currently, at least), a #6 in the Pairwise means they would still make the NCAAs even with one tournament upset; that upset would knock out whoever is at #7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertearle View Post
    From the point of view of Ohio State (currently, at least), a #6 in the Pairwise means they would still make the NCAAs even with one tournament upset; that upset would knock out whoever is at #7.
    it looks like their pairwise will be going up

    so I am wondering, since it was said that Gabby Rosenthal played well against the Gophers because she was mad at not being recruited there, was she also mad today about not being recruited by Wisconsin? Maybe this belongs in the Gopher thread but I'm sure ARM et. al. will not miss this (although it'll be easier to ignore here)

    I'm thinking this line of reasoning is no longer a valid excuse when you get your butt kicked. When you lose, it's because you didn't play well enough to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokechecker View Post
    so I am wondering, since it was said that Gabby Rosenthal played well against the Gophers because she was mad at not being recruited there, was she also mad today about not being recruited by Wisconsin? Maybe this belongs in the Gopher thread but I'm sure ARM et. al. will not miss this (although it'll be easier to ignore here)
    If she was especially fired up, it's probably because Abby Roque ran her head first into the boards.

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    The Buckeyes played hard today. After taking a 3-0 lead, they mustered very little offense, only 3 shots in the third period, and probably only about 6-7 in the second after the major penalty to Roque expired. But they didn't let Wisconsin get loose in front of Brändli, and smothered Wisconsin's attempts to pass out from behind the net. On the one hand, they were fortunate to get a 5 minute power play (as I've said elsewhere, I think it was the right call, but I'm not sure the refs would have made it without going to replay), but give them credit, because they really took advantage of it, helped by some very lackadaisical penalty killing by the Badgers. After that, they seemed to decide that they'd already scored the winning goal and just wanted to make sure it held up. They strangled Wisconsin's offense for the whole third period.

    Jincy Dunne had a monster game that went well beyond the two assists. She didn't get caught up ice, like I've seen her do before, and she wouldn't let Badger forwards turn the corner in transition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Eeyore View Post
    Jincy Dunne had a monster game that went well beyond the two assists. She didn't get caught up ice, like I've seen her do before, and she wouldn't let Badger forwards turn the corner in transition.
    What I've noticed as much as anything is that she always seems to make the right play. Great hockey sense! More often than not, her passes are right on the tape of her open teammate. Much of that has to do with pre-positioning herself so her passes have little-to-no chance of being intercepted. And when on the point she'll make a little quick move and get her shot through, often creating rebounds.

    She's a real joy to watch, and the Buckeyes are very fortunate to have her.
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    The TV view wasn't the best and I didn't get home in time to see the call against Wisconsin for the 5 min major but I have to say I sure didn't see a 5 min plus misconduct in the call against Ohio State in what I could make out. Wish the center ice cameraman would zoom in once in awhile!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    The TV view wasn't the best ... Wish the center ice cameraman would zoom in once in awhile!
    Have you ever watched what OSU calls TV coverage for their home games? By far the worst in the WCHA. I realize you might always be at the games in person and so may never have seen it, but UW broadcasts are quantum levels better. Minn's may be better than that.
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    Ohio State takes game one in Madison by a final score of 3-1. It was Ohio State's first-ever win at LaBahn Arena. All four goals scored in this one were power play goals and all were scored in the second period. The first period was scoreless. The Bucks got a five-minute power play late in the first period that carried over into the second and they took advantage of it, getting three goals from Tatum Skaggs, Sophie Jaques, and Gabby Rosenthal. Abby Roque lit the lamp for the Badgers later in the second period to bring the Badgers to within 3-1. Neither team scored in the third period although late in the period, Ohio State's Lisa Bruno was whistled for a five-minute penalty. Wisconsin pulled goaltender Kristen Campbell to give them a 6-on-4 advantage, but they could not score on the Buckeyes and that is how it ended. Wisconsin outshot Ohio State 37-20. Buckeye netminder Andrea Braendli stood tall, stopping 36 of the 37 shots she faced to get the win. Badger goaltender Kristen Campbell saved 17 of the 20 shots she faced. The two teams are back at it tomorrow with game time at 3:07 pm EST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertearle View Post
    Have you ever watched what OSU calls TV coverage for their home games?
    Can't say I have but no reason to doubt you. I do know the camera's they have there are quite small compared to what I see at the Blue Jackets arena so I would naturally assume the quality matches the size.
    That being said I just wish I could have seen the call better on the major against OSU. I didn't think it warranted that penalty but just couldn't see all the detail so my professional Laz E Boy refereeing would be flawless as always!

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    For Sunday's game Wisconsin I assume will want to come out strong and try to take charge of the game early.
    If OSU can get the sweep and sweep next weekend at home to close out the regular season what do you think our chances are of getting up to #4 in the pairwise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    Can't say I have but no reason to doubt you. I do know the camera's they have there are quite small compared to what I see at the Blue Jackets arena so I would naturally assume the quality matches the size.
    That being said I just wish I could have seen the call better on the major against OSU. I didn't think it warranted that penalty but just couldn't see all the detail so my professional Laz E Boy refereeing would be flawless as always!
    I know Eeyore thought the call against Roque was worth five minutes. I was sitting more-or-less 'under' the camera position - even with the blue line towards the end where it happened (and I looked at the video replay here at home). It was probably worth a two minute, but IMO it lacked any sort of 'follow-through' force to warrant a five. And considering all they had let go up to that point.... The five against OSU was at the other end of the ice from me and closer to the 'near' corner, where my view is not great, so I have no particular opinion on it.

    (The guy who made the call against Roque, Bradshaw, is in my book the flat-out worst ref in the WCHA. I had not seen him doing a game or seen his name in a box score all year, so I had assumed - hoped - they had fired him after last year. Sadly, there he was today. And there he'll be tomorrow...)

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