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  • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    I get that we need a strong swing back to the left. Kep touched on this point in a later post which I'll comment on in a sec.

    What I'm suggesting is that we use 2020 just to get our foot in the door so to speak. Trying to swing everyone dead left will leave some behind (like what Bernie-Bros did to Hilary in 2016). That's why I think we go with the "safe" route next year. Don't swing for a home run when a single through the infield will suffice
    We've tried this since like... the 60's? It's resulted in all the current problems we face gradually getting worse to the point where people have welcomed fascism with open arms. Given how unpopular Trump is (38% approval? I suppose it's possible the polls are underestimating his support) it's possible that the people who went Obama -> Trump are gonna go back but they could just as easily go 3rd party or leave it blank this time around as well if we have someone like Biden as the D nominee.

    But as I've said in previous posts including the Henry Giroux quote, if we don't propose real solutions to these ever worsening problems there's no reason to think that history won't repeat it

    Trying to swing everyone dead left will leave some behind (like what Bernie-Bros did to Hilary in 2016).
    I honestly have no idea what this means. The economic/trade policies of the Obamas and Clintons of the world has left large swaths of the population behind economically and inequality/poverty has just grown significantly worse during that time, our climate is even more ****ed, less people have access to healthcare than before, medical bankruptcies are up, and the unsustainable "status quo" isn't working anymore. I'd fear that far more people are gonna get left behind trying to "get our foot in the door" with someone like Biden who has all but said he plans to do nothing about any of this stuff. His climate adviser got $1 million from the fossil fuel industry. He has a Blackwater lobbyist as another adviser. He's already on record saying that Republicans are his friends and that Trump is the only problem with the other side. There's no reason to think him winning is going to result in anything different than what we saw post Clinton and post Obama (and this pheonomena isn't exclusive to this country either as we've seen with the international wave of right wing populism).

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    • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

      Guys, you're all missing something vital. In the rush to get to socialism or enshrine Obama-ism, none of this will occur without one thing which is the first priority. More so than throwing Chump in jail, or raising taxes to 200% on upper earners, or replacing Columbus Day with Lenin Day.

      This country, and in the process the Democrats, need to pass robust voting rights legislation for the 21st century. None of the Dems currently running, nor any of the Dems currently serving in the House or Senate, will vote against expanded voter rights. Outlaw all of the shenanigans with polling places, voter ID's, disenfranchisement, voter roll purges, etc and watch the GOP lose one of their main tools for holding onto power. When you realize that this is issue 1 and 1A, a Biden or Booker or Joe freakin' Manchin Presidency becomes a lot more welcome, because the fate of any great social legislation in the future depends on it. Keep your eyes on the prize, people.
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      • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

        Couldn't that just get struck down by the SC? (assuming it even passes)

        That's the other thing, we need someone who will actually fight to pack the Supreme Court and let's just say some candidates are more likely to do that than others.

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        • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

          Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
          Couldn't that just get struck down by the SC? (assuming it even passes)

          That's the other thing, we need someone who will actually fight to pack the Supreme Court and let's just say some candidates are more likely to do that than others.
          Not if Roberts sticks to his past rulings. I'll defer to the legal experts, but IMHO Roberts didn't overturn the VRA. What he ruled was that the map from the 1960's that determined what states or areas needed pre-clearance from the justice department was invalid because several of those places were majority non-white at this point. He also said that Congress was free to write a new map, although assuredly he realized that would not happen with a GOP Congress in charge.

          Congress can and already has set standards for voter registration (the Motor Voter Law) as well as anti-discrimination (the VRA, where the part about how you can't pack minorities into a single district to create more white districts is still the law). It can update as needed, although it should leave alone anything citizens united related until the court makeup changes. I'd also do gerrymandering separately as its unclear as to what direction the SCOTUS is going on that.

          EDIT: Some background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...on_Act_of_1993

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965
          Last edited by Rover; 05-23-2019, 12:56 PM.
          Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

          Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

          "I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."

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          • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

            Yeah... I don't see any reason to have faith in the SC not striking down a voting rights law, especially under an even more ridiculous makeup than what it was in 2013. They basically just ignored the 15th amendment with that ruling.

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            • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

              Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
              Yeah... I don't see any reason to have faith in the SC not striking down a voting rights law, especially under an even more ridiculous makeup than what it was in 2013. They basically just ignored the 15th amendment with that ruling.
              Ummm....then why haven't they struck down all existing voting rights laws yet?
              Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

              Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

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              • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                There are parts of the Democratic Party (myself for one) that will not vote for Joe in the primary because of this stupidity. He gets my vote for President over Trump but that, as we saw in 2016, may not be enough to get everyone out.
                If there are enough of you out there he won't win the nomination so case solved. If he does I don't think Joe will myopic enough to Hillary the base. Never mind everyone of these guys have handlers - surely they won't allow it to happen.

                If we're being honest if an avowed liberal doesn't vote for the Democratic nominee because they aver to try and bring some civility back into play then ****** that voter and the horse they rode in on. I expect such a boorish and childish approach from a Republican, but a liberals should know and do better.

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                • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                  Originally posted by Rover View Post
                  Maybe slappy is an Asian female. Does that count?
                  Well we know you can't handle either one so in this case we're essentially one in the same.

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                  • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                    Originally posted by Rover View Post
                    Ummm....then why haven't they struck down all existing voting rights laws yet?
                    Because racist states can (and already have) go back to blatantly discriminating after that ridiculous ruling...

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                    • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                      Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                      If there are enough of you out there he won't win the nomination so case solved. If he does I don't think Joe will myopic enough to Hillary the base. Never mind everyone of these guys have handlers - surely they won't allow it to happen.

                      If we're being honest if an avowed liberal doesn't vote for the Democratic nominee because they aver to try and bring some civility back into play then ****** that voter and the horse they rode in on. I expect such a boorish and childish approach from a Republican, but a liberals should know and do better.
                      There won't be. We'll be stuck with him, or someone like him. And I'll plug my nose and check the box anyway.
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                      • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                        Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
                        I get that we need a strong swing back to the left. Kep touched on this point in a later post which I'll comment on in a sec.

                        What I'm suggesting is that we use 2020 just to get our foot in the door so to speak. Trying to swing everyone dead left will leave some behind (like what Bernie-Bros did to Hilary in 2016). That's why I think we go with the "safe" route next year. Don't swing for a home run when a single through the infield will suffice

                        This times 10000000.
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                        • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                          Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                          Because racist states can (and already have) go back to blatantly discriminating after that ridiculous ruling...
                          That....doesn't...make...sense....

                          Republicans want to stop anybody from voting who isn't already one of their supporters. Black, white, brown, green. It doesn't matter. Getting rid of Motor Voter or the VRA would go a long way to furthering those aims.
                          Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

                          Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

                          "I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."

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                          • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                            This times 10000000.
                            That's what Obama was for and look at us now.
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                            • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                              Originally posted by Rover View Post
                              That....doesn't...make...sense....

                              Republicans want to stop anybody from voting who isn't already one of their supporters. Black, white, brown, green. It doesn't matter.
                              Yeah... and the SC is even further to the right than it was in 2013, why the hell would they not uphold a challenge to HR1 if it was presented? They've already gutted the enforcement of the voting rights act, it's not like they need to overturn every single word of the voting rights act to achieve their goals.

                              Originally posted by Rover View Post
                              Getting rid of Motor Voter or the VRA would go a long way to furthering those aims.
                              They upheld Ohio purging the voter rolls...

                              Sorry but if you're going to argue that the SC is going to somehow be impartial and not uphold challenges to HR1 or other progressive legislation if presented to them then lmao.
                              Last edited by trixR4kids; 05-23-2019, 02:34 PM.

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                              • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                                Democrats suck at campaigning.

                                Why hasn't this been labeled a tax on the lower and middle class? Walmart Shoppers are paying this. This is a MASSIVE TAX INCREASE on the American People.


                                The newest round of U.S. tariffs on Chinese imports will cost the typical American household $831 annually, researchers said on Thursday, as the Trump administration came under growing political pressure over its trade war with China.
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