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Re: Maine Black Bears 2019: Offseason Approaching
Good grief, back to 11 team playoff maybe.
The rationale makes some amount of sense.
https://bangordailynews.com/2019/05/...layoff-format/Last edited by NorthMike; 05-13-2019, 07:00 AM.
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Originally posted by NorthMike View PostGood grief, back to 11 team playoff maybe.
The rationale makes some amount of sense.
https://bangordailynews.com/2019/05/...layoff-format/Originally posted by BobbyBrady
Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year
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Originally posted by ticapnews View PostThe university could stop throwing money in a giant black hole and use it to fund hockey and basketball, but we all know that will never happen.Originally posted by Runsub5 View PostI agree. Other then the "black hole" I know that baseball has the Mahaney fund that is dedicated to baseball and pays a substantial part of their expenses. However, there are other significant costs that the athletic department must pay for. Baseball just doesn't make any sense to me in this cold northern climate. There appears to be little interest from fan's. I have been to a couple of games this spring and there are very few people there.Originally posted by ticapnews View PostI've been calling it a black hole because money goes in never to be seen again. The program loses over a million dollars a year, even with two cash games every season. And it could go 150-0 and win the next 10 national championships and it still wouldn't be in the neighborhood of profitable. It's also a headache for Title IX. Contrast that with hockey, which once was the most profitable Division I public program east of Ann Arbor and routinely cleared over $2 million in profits each year. This wasn't even the halcyon days of 42-1-2 and Harold Alfond's gold card; it was a decade ago. Now not a single program on campus makes a profit every season. Fix the hockey program and it can go back to paying for itself, and providing money to feed that black hole. It wouldn't take much of an investment to turn hockey around and return it to profitability. How much would we have to invest in football to make it profitable? Is that even possible given that only a relative handful of programs in the nation turn a profit?Originally posted by dunbar View PostThere’s approximately 35 members of the football program that don’t receive any financial aid, scholarship or otherwise, from the athletic department. The cost of those students to attend Maine do not count in the figures you reference. They do however, count towards general revenue for the University. Those students are paying tuitions, fees, etc. like any other student. That adds up to approximately $1 million annually. If there’s no football, those students aren’t here, nor is that money.
Also consider something else: how do you balance athletic scholarships without football? Either you cut women’s sports, or you have to add more men’s sports, which I would guarantee would lose more money than football does, simply because they wouldn’t be revenue sports.
Lastly...
A niche sport will not be profitable, especially when the niche sport desperately needs a new facility in the next decade.
If you take away Maine's direct institutional support of every sport they all lose money, including hockey. When you include that direct support hockey has been "profitable" every year and football became profitable starting in 2015-16 when Maine boosted its direct support for football by $1.3 million (why they underfunded it before that so it ran a significant deficit is puzzling). However, only five sports generated revenue from ticket sales: baseball (which stopped charging for tickets in 2017), men's and women's basketball, football and hockey. Over the nine years hockey averaged 79.5% of all ticket revenue, although that has dropped from the low 80s to the mid 70s 2 of the past 3 years (and just under 70% the other year), with football showing an uptick. Football also takes about 50% of guarantees with men's basketball getting most of the rest. Football also generates the most contributions, between 20% and 34% of all contributions, averaging just of 28% over the nine years.
As for football being a black hole, it averages 20% of all expenses, with men's hockey second averaging 10%. When you factor in the number of participants football gets the better of hockey as it has averaged 17% of all participants, while men's hockey has averaged just 5% of all participants. Overall, football has averaged $3.9 million in expenses over the 9 years, with men's hockey averaging $1.9 million over the same period.
As for the claim that about 35 members of the football team receive no aid from the athletic department, that is untrue. According to the NCAA financials the most players to not receive any aid was 16 twice, with an average of 12 players receiving no aid each year.
And if football was eliminated, some of the scholarship money could go to fully funding men's track and field and cross country (barely funded) and swimming and diving (completely unfunded) teams before looking at adding another men's team. However, I don't see Maine eliminating football any time soon.
Take a look at the spreadsheet . There is a lot of data and I have tried to make it accessible in several different ways. Let me know if you have any questions, find any errors or would like more information.
SeanWomen's Hockey East Champions 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2010
Men's NCAA Champions 2009, 1995, 1978, 1972, 1971
BU Hockey Games
BU Hockey highlights and extras
NCAA Hockey Financials
Women's Division I Longest Hockey Games
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Originally posted by Sean Pickett View PostThis discussion got me interested in Maine's overall athletic financials and since I have the last nine years of NCAA reports I decided to take a closer look. I took my NCAA Financial spreadsheet I created for all DI hockey teams and I made a modified one for all of Maine's sports programs for 2010-18. There's a lot of data to digest, but some things immediately stand out.
If you take away Maine's direct institutional support of every sport they all lose money, including hockey. When you include that direct support hockey has been "profitable" every year and football became profitable starting in 2015-16 when Maine boosted its direct support for football by $1.3 million (why they underfunded it before that so it ran a significant deficit is puzzling). However, only five sports generated revenue from ticket sales: baseball (which stopped charging for tickets in 2017), men's and women's basketball, football and hockey. Over the nine years hockey averaged 79.5% of all ticket revenue, although that has dropped from the low 80s to the mid 70s 2 of the past 3 years (and just under 70% the other year), with football showing an uptick. Football also takes about 50% of guarantees with men's basketball getting most of the rest. Football also generates the most contributions, between 20% and 34% of all contributions, averaging just of 28% over the nine years.
As for football being a black hole, it averages 20% of all expenses, with men's hockey second averaging 10%. When you factor in the number of participants football gets the better of hockey as it has averaged 17% of all participants, while men's hockey has averaged just 5% of all participants. Overall, football has averaged $3.9 million in expenses over the 9 years, with men's hockey averaging $1.9 million over the same period.
As for the claim that about 35 members of the football team receive no aid from the athletic department, that is untrue. According to the NCAA financials the most players to not receive any aid was 16 twice, with an average of 12 players receiving no aid each year.
And if football was eliminated, some of the scholarship money could go to fully funding men's track and field and cross country (barely funded) and swimming and diving (completely unfunded) teams before looking at adding another men's team. However, I don't see Maine eliminating football any time soon.
Take a look at the spreadsheet . There is a lot of data and I have tried to make it accessible in several different ways. Let me know if you have any questions, find any errors or would like more information.
Sean
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Re: Maine Black Bears 2019: Offseason Approaching
On the 11 team playoff that Hockey East Coaches want....good way to sour this all in is, 1 thru 5 get byes....and 6/11, 7/10 and 8/9 playoff but NOT a 3 game series...but a 1 and done playoff...bet if teams 6,7,8 lose and get knocked out that the Coaches change their tune on a all in Playoff. PLUS get going Hockey East and add a 12th team: Bentley? or Holy Cross?....a "REAL" good addition would be Quinnipiac, but they most likely are comfortable with the Conference there in [ECAC].
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Originally posted by dunbar View PostNo. You’re mistaken. Maine has 90-95 roster members the football program in a given year. There’s only 63 scholarships, which unlike FBS football, can be split up. So while there may be 12 or so players receiving no aid, that does not mean that the rest are receiving full aid. That’s the difference. Someone is paying for the remaining students to be enrolled, but it’s not the athletic department.
SeanWomen's Hockey East Champions 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2010
Men's NCAA Champions 2009, 1995, 1978, 1972, 1971
BU Hockey Games
BU Hockey highlights and extras
NCAA Hockey Financials
Women's Division I Longest Hockey Games
I need a kidney; looking for a donor
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Gustav had assist on game winner last night
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Originally posted by walrus View PostGustav had assist on game winner last night
Timo Meier also was officially credited with an assist if you can believe that!
A complete goddammed atrocity last night. San Jose has won 3 of their 10 playoff games courtesy of insanely bad officiating.
Diego Maradona got away with less.Last edited by Nick Papagiorgio; 05-16-2019, 09:25 AM.Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.
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Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
Timo Meier also was officially credited with an assist if you can believe that!
A complete goddammed atrocity last night. San Jose has won 3 of their 10 playoff games courtesy of insanely bad officiating.
Diego Maradona got away with less.
That would make that a good goal via the usual standards employed, and constitute an assist... But, yeah, we're talking a give-or-take a millimeter here.Last edited by Fishman'81; 05-16-2019, 09:12 PM.
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So through the Alfond ice time google calendar, it appears that home dates have been set.
Su 10/6 4pm (Exhibition)
F 10/11 Alaska Anchorage
S 10/12 Alaska Anchorage
F 11/1
S 11/2
F 11/15
S 11/16
Su 12/29 4pm (has Maine ever been home between Christmas and New Years?)
F 1/3 Omaha
S 1/4 Omaha
S 1/11
F 1/31
S 2/1
F 2/7
F 2/14
S 2/15
F 2/21
S 2/22
F 3/6
*Edited to reflect changes.Last edited by dunbar; 05-17-2019, 11:39 AM.
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Originally posted by dunbar View PostSo through the Alfond ice time google calendar, it appears that home dates have been set.
Su 10/6 4pm (Exhibition)
F 10/11 Alaska Anchorage
S 10/12 Alaska Anchorage
F 11/1
S 11/2
F 11/15
S 11/16
Su 12/29 4pm (has Maine ever been home between Christmas and New Years?)
F 1/3 Omaha
S 1/4 Omaha
F 1/10 (this date appears on 3/10, which is the Tuesday before the HE quarters, which I assume is an error)
S 1/11
F 1/31
S 2/1
F 2/7
F 2/14
S 2/15
F 2/21
S 2/22Originally posted by BobbyBrady
Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year
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Originally posted by Drew S. View PostI certainly can understand why they were trying to sell season tickets without the schedule being released.
No offense to the teams meant but attendance is rediculous anyway for out of conference games against ranked teams.
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