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  • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
    Well I meant the LGBs socialized with the Ts. Maybe I wasnt paying enough attention.
    That's good. Hope to see more of it.
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    • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
      Except I didnt tell a victimized person to calm down...I told the LEFT to calm down. Last I checked Kepler you arent Trans. You are a privileged white male like the rest of us. Sorry but you are no more right to speak for people than anyone else.

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      • Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
        Let me explain here. You don't get to decide whether something you said is homophobic or transphobic or whatever. It's on me (or another trans person you might be talking to) to determine that, and you don't have a say. EVER.

        Or to put it another way: you don't get to decide if something you said hurt me or not.
        I suggest you go back and read my post. I didn’t claim the right to decide. That would be subjective, which I specifically argued against. I believe it has to be judged against a reasonable person standard.
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        • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Retreat and declare victory! You have learned well from Dump, Grasshopper.
          Uh huh...methinks the Dump Deflection Award goes to you
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          • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
            I suggest you go back and read my post. I didn’t claim the right to decide. That would be subjective, which I specifically argued against. I believe it has to be judged against a reasonable person standard.
            You wouldn't making the comment against generic X person. What I'm saying is the minority group gets to decide if it's offensive or not. That's the only standard that matters.
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            • Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
              You wouldn't making the comment against generic X person. What I'm saying is the minority group gets to decide if it's offensive or not. That's the only standard that matters.
              When you say “minority group” that’s different than the individual. A reasonable person standard typically asks the question what would a similarly situated person do or think in the same instance, not what did you think or do.
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              • Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                Warroad HS Boys team beat the US Women's Ice Hockey team in their prep-games for the last winter Olyimpics.
                I’m not disagreeing with the testosterone comments here but I have a question. I think the warroad boys team is a good example- talented high school boys who can beat the most talented women in the world.
                A week or so ago on here we talked about the men who said they could take a game or whatever from Serena. A lot of men agreed that’s not too likely, or that they would win some based on unforced errors, faulting, etc.
                is Serena different because she’s such a beast and so strong, or do people think a male high school player could beat Serena? I’m honestly curious.

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                • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                  Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
                  I’m not disagreeing with the testosterone comments here but I have a question. I think the warroad boys team is a good example- talented high school boys who can beat the most talented women in the world.
                  A week or so ago on here we talked about the men who said they could take a game or whatever from Serena. A lot of men agreed that’s not too likely, or that they would win some based on unforced errors, faulting, etc.
                  is Serena different because she’s such a beast and so strong, or do people think a male high school player could beat Serena? I’m honestly curious.
                  Team sports are a bit different. Also, said sport is different. The UTenn women regularly practiced against the UTenn Men JV/backup Squad (if that's the proper term) and beat them. One-on-one sport would vary.

                  And yes, part of it is Serena is a friggin' beast.

                  IIRC, Jennie Finch (ASU softball) baffled MLB players, one on one, just to hit a pitch of hers.

                  Edit: Yep. Finch vs Pujols: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm9iZnqGMvY
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                  • Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
                    I’m not disagreeing with the testosterone comments here but I have a question. I think the warroad boys team is a good example- talented high school boys who can beat the most talented women in the world.
                    A week or so ago on here we talked about the men who said they could take a game or whatever from Serena. A lot of men agreed that’s not too likely, or that they would win some based on unforced errors, faulting, etc.
                    is Serena different because she’s such a beast and so strong, or do people think a male high school player could beat Serena? I’m honestly curious.
                    One friend played a dude in the WI HS state tournament, who later went on to beat Nadal in a major a couple years ago. So that guy probably could’ve. There are some higher end HS players who play year round and had tennis tutors since they were in diapers that maybe could or it’d be close at least. I would guess the top players in certain states could pull it off.
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                    • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                      Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                      One friend played a dude in the WI HS state tournament, who later went on to beat Nadal in a major a couple years ago. So that guy probably could’ve. There are some higher end HS players who play year round and had tennis tutors since they were in diapers that maybe could or it’d be close at least. I would guess the top players in certain states could pull it off.
                      I would say, in the sport of tennis, it'd be a lucky shot. Not a 1-In-A-Million, but lucky.
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                      • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                        Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                        One friend played a dude in the WI HS state tournament, who later went on to beat Nadal in a major a couple years ago. So that guy probably could’ve. There are some higher end HS players who play year round and had tennis tutors since they were in diapers that maybe could or it’d be close at least. I would guess the top players in certain states could pull it off.
                        Who is this person? I played HS tennis in WI, know a fair bit about the scene, and the only one I know of who had near this success was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Smyczek.

                        And he never beat Nadal. He lost to Nadal in a close match as a huge underdog. It took him 8-9 years out of high school to get to his highest ATP ranking which was in the 60s.
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                        • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                          Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
                          I’m not disagreeing with the testosterone comments here but I have a question. I think the warroad boys team is a good example- talented high school boys who can beat the most talented women in the world.
                          A week or so ago on here we talked about the men who said they could take a game or whatever from Serena. A lot of men agreed that’s not too likely, or that they would win some based on unforced errors, faulting, etc.
                          is Serena different because she’s such a beast and so strong, or do people think a male high school player could beat Serena? I’m honestly curious.
                          There is a ton of variance in the sports in question. You can place men and women on fairly equal ground for sports where muscle control > muscle strength. Example would be shooting sports (Archery, rifle, etc.). The more physicality the sport contains, however, women fall further back.

                          Not to say that the top female athletes aren't better than a large portion of the male population. Serena is a great example where she is better than most men on the planet. But the odds quickly fall off when you move from amateurs to pros. Golf would be another example. Top female pro golfers can beat most amateurs out there fairly easily. But compared to male pro counterparts, they are hitting the ball 30-50 yards less and that is costing them 3-5 strokes per round easily on a course set up for the Men's tour.

                          Again, my stance is taken with the intent that it's applied to the best of the best athletes for a given sport. For Olympic sports, thats the top 1500-2000 or so out of the 7+ billion people on this planet. Also something to consider: Why is this issue always with a Male to Female athlete and not a Female to Male athlete? Among transgender individuals I would have to believe that the numbers between them are fairly equal. Yet it seems to only be a one-way street at the moment for athletes trying to make a path for themselves. Why is that?
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                          • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                            Originally posted by WisconsinWildcard View Post
                            Who is this person? I played HS tennis in WI, know a fair bit about the scene, and the only one I know of who had near this success was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Smyczek.

                            And he never beat Nadal. He lost to Nadal in a close match as a huge underdog. It took him 8-9 years out of high school to get to his highest ATP ranking which was in the 60s.
                            My bad, I thought he beat Nadal but he took him to 5 sets and lost. But yeah he's the guy.

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                            • Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
                              Let me explain here. You don't get to decide whether something you said is homophobic or transphobic or whatever. It's on me (or another trans person you might be talking to) to determine that, and you don't have a say. EVER.

                              Or to put it another way: you don't get to decide if something you said hurt me or not.
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                              • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                                A person is responsible for their own happiness.
                                joe's got a point, Miss Thundercat. If he and his self-righteous mob are bigoted sh-ts to you that's your problem. You didn't have to consider your dignity important. You didn't have to feel worried about your physical safety in the presence of people who are vocally and violently opposed to your very essence.

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