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  • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    I'm going to assume you aren't intentionally being mentally and morally opaque and give you a straight answer.

    The persecuted have always needed to rally around solidarity. That is a basic human need.

    I really thought you were being an intentional d-ck when you posted things like this or that you were a moron, but given your persistence and your stressing that we need to respect one another I am now genuinely convinced that you don't know that your posts are coming of as mean spirited. But I'm giving you some friendly advice, sincerely: they are. You are coming off as borderline troll. As the kind of libertarian who says "the contract between an employer and an employee is perfectly balanced since either is free to terminate it." It comes off as being sheltered and presumptuous.

    How do I know this? Because if I had been on the internet 30 years ago that would be exactly how I would have sounded. I was firmly convinced then that because bigotry drove so many problems the most fair solution would be to be completely blind to difference and never acknowledge any characteristic which was incidental to value.

    But the problem with this is that's the equivalent of saying the race is fair now because we've taken your chains off but I still start 50 yards ahead of you. Systemic/legal barriers are the chains, and we have taken many of them off (although not all -- witness the legal persecution of gays in the red states) in the last 100 years. But the head start is the social barriers and those still exist. Whites still bias against POC. Men (and a lot of women!) still bias against women. Straights still bias against non-straights. And don't get me started on Christians.

    So the people on the pointy end of these distinctions do need to join together and celebrate who they are. And they need to do it in public to claim their rights in public space and not just huddled in the dark. Have you ever been to a gay march or a women's march? The feeling during them isn't triumph, it's relief. You can see these people go through their lives poised to absorb the next slight (or assault) and for one f-cking day at least they can relax and be themselves without any fear.

    Think of how you feel when after a day of work you come home and are safe and secure. POC and women and gays are never 100% secure. As a fellow white straight male I ask you: can you conceive of how hard it must be to live like that? You and I will never, never, never know how tired, how weary that must make a human being.

    So, please, understand that a pride parade isn't something contrary to your desire for a blind society. It's essential to it because it is evening the playing field. There are no brown-eyed people's pride marches because they aren't necessary. The fact that there are gay and black and women's pride parade should tell us they are necessary, and why a straight or white or men's pride parade is something very different, mocking, nasty, and even threatening.

    It's all about respect and these people still don't get it too often. You and I will never worry about that. And you know how much that stings because you have complained that you are being ignored or put down because you're a straight, white, male. OK... now imagine that amplified by a trillion, every day, and with a history of being written into the very law! And that it's not just you but your loved ones!

    That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.

    To all the gay, POC, and women posters here: I am very sorry if this comes across as me straight white male 'splaining or being White Savior. I am just trying to give my view because I have been Fishman '81 and know that it is possible to say the things he is saying and not be a jerk. He's simply ignorant of what he has not seen and felt, and I have had that very thing common with him so I feel might reach him.

    Dude: you're not a d-ck but you're acting like one. Please take the stuff above to heart. It was my journey and maybe it will help you on yours. Go to these marches and be with these people and you'll understand. The love you experience being with people who have been hurt and disrespected, but who are still open and kind, will make you feel great, even if you're a cynical, arrogant old fool like me.
    This, Fishy, this. As a trans woman, I've tried explaining all the ways Republicans want me dead (either literally or figuratively), and it's gone right over your head. You also said trans people don't deserve bathroom rights because cis men might abuse the privilege. You want me dead too.

    Seriously, in 26 states, including Michigan, I can be fired for being trans, and I am **** lucky that my current employer has gender identity written in their non-discrimination policy. If I'm arrested, they'll put me in with the men, which will open me to sexual assault and near death. If I become homeless, this administration says shelters don't have to take me in. I better hope my current medical team stays as warm and affirming as they are, because if they decide religious liberty is more important than my care, I could die. When I die, I better hope my family puts the right name and gender in the paper, because some of my trans siblings haven't been so lucky. Transgender people are 4x as likely to commit suicide as everyone else. I could go on, but you're basically plugging your ears right now going "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
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    • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

      Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
      Woodbury is next to GD Oakdale. It has a lot of middle and high income earners, good schools, not a terrible place
      Woodbury has its shady parts, too. I came across a few when house hunting last week. It was shocking, really, given what I thought I knew about that city.
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      • Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
        Woodbury has its shady parts, too. I came across a few when house hunting last week. It was shocking, really, given what I thought I knew about that city.
        Of course it does but it’s not as bad as maplewood, Oakdale, no St. Paul.

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        • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

          Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
          Now I wonder if you know what a Shooting Star Press is?
          I do now.
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          • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

            Originally posted by The Rube View Post
            Pretty much. DX would know more, since he actually lives in goddam Oakdale.
            The Urban Dictionary definition of GD Oakdale (#3 on the list) is pretty funny.

            #6 (OK) is good, too.

            Generally speaking, towns named "Oakdale" apparently have some issues.

            BTW I can vouch for the L.I. one (#5, #7) that it is dead on.
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            • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

              Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
              Of course it does but it’s not as bad as maplewood, Oakdale, no St. Paul.
              And I've also only realized how shockingly close to St. Paul Woodbury actually is. There's only about a single mile separating the two cities down around the Pigs Eye region of the Mississippi - the distance between McKnight Rd and Century Ave.
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              • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                And I've also only realized how shockingly close to St. Paul Woodbury actually is. There's only about a single mile separating the two cities down around the Pigs Eye region of the Mississippi - the distance between McKnight Rd and Century Ave.
                The east side of the cities is so ****ed up in terms of city and county divisions. Especially Maplewood. What a stupid ****ing city shape.
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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  I do now.
                  Now I just feel like naming out wrestling finishers...


                  Go To Sleep
                  Vertebreaker
                  One Winged Angel
                  Meltzer Driver
                  And my personal favorite The Unprettier.
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                  • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                    Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                    Now I just feel like naming out wrestling finishers...


                    Go To Sleep
                    Vertebreaker
                    One Winged Angel
                    Meltzer Driver
                    And my personal favorite The Unprettier.
                    These are getting really complicated and require really tight coordination with the other wrestler. I'm not sure who's working harder on some of them. I have no idea how they don't f-ck up and actually hurt each other.

                    I've always wondered how they rehearse.
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                    • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                      The east side of the cities is so ****ed up in terms of city and county divisions. Especially Maplewood. What a stupid ****ing city shape.
                      https://www.mncompass.org/profiles/c...3468958&zoom=9
                      It looks vaguely like a Tetris piece where a couple areas decided to say, "F--- it, we're leaving this mess."
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                      • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        These are getting really complicated and require really lose coordination with the other wrestler. I'm not actually sure who's working harder on some of them.
                        I have no idea how they don't f-ck up and actually hurt each other.
                        Sometimes they do, that’s the problem. Triple H famously paralysed a jobber because he thought Trips was doing a different move and got dropped on his head. Certain moves are legit banned by some promotions, like the Vertebreaker and the Piledriver by WWE.
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                        • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                          Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                          Sometimes they do, that’s the problem. Triple H famously paralysed a jobber because he thought Trips was doing a different move and got dropped on his head. Certain moves are legit banned by some promotions, like the Vertebreaker and the Piledriver by WWE.
                          Yep. Even back in the day, some wrestlers had moves that were banned in their contracts (Stone Cold Steve Austin/piledriver) because of previous injuries. The Power Bomb is another notorious one for possible injury. That one could legit break your neck also.

                          As for cities, Crystal MN is also messed up. There's an area that is completely enveloped by another city (New Hope):
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                          • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                            Originally posted by The Rube View Post
                            As for cities, Crystal MN is also messed up. There's an area that is completely enveloped by another city (New Hope):
                            https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cr...!4d-93.3602286
                            At least you guys in the West kinda planned your cities. I mean I see identifiable geometric shapes on your maps. You wanna see a mess come to the eastern seaboard sometime. They're all messed up but Boston is on an entirely different level.

                            The Mormons are the only ones who did it right. Simple grid with two wide diagonals running through the centerpoint (which is, granted, their funhouse magic underwear mosque). That actually makes sense.
                            Last edited by Kepler; 08-12-2019, 02:25 PM.
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                            • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                              Do they still make Pig's Eye beer? Be a shame if that p1sswater was no longer available whenever I get back.

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                              • Re: Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

                                Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                                Do they still make Pig's Eye beer? Be a shame if that p1sswater was no longer available whenever I get back.
                                Near as I can tell they went bankrupt, were seized, then 2 guys tried to revive them and they went bankrupt.
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