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  • Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

    That was a heck of a race today at the Hungary track. For a track that passing isn't supposed to happen, it happened, a lot.

    And that was a very bold strategy by Mercedes to pit Hamilton, and let him catch up from 20 seconds down. Epic drive there.

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    • Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

      Originally posted by alfablue View Post
      That was a heck of a race today at the Hungary track. For a track that passing isn't supposed to happen, it happened, a lot.

      And that was a very bold strategy by Mercedes to pit Hamilton, and let him catch up from 20 seconds down. Epic drive there.
      I couldn't have said it better myself.

      Heck of a "comeback" for F1 after the France debacle.
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        Question...I rewatched Senna this past weekend and i’m Wondering if any of you agree the fatal crash was caused by a broken steering column?

        If yes, Why didn’t Williams produce data to refute this claim?
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        • Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

          Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
          Question...I rewatched Senna this past weekend and i’m Wondering if any of you agree the fatal crash was caused by a broken steering column?

          If yes, Why didn’t Williams produce data to refute this claim?
          From what I understand, the case was still being litigated. So Williams could not comment.

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          • Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

            Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
            Question...I rewatched Senna this past weekend and i’m Wondering if any of you agree the fatal crash was caused by a broken steering column?

            If yes, Why didn’t Williams produce data to refute this claim?
            It might be but couldn't it also be that the car was set up so low that it was making constant contact with the ground and during the period it is on the ground control is lost?

            Second issue. it's silly season and to my mind there are a lot of drivers out there who are in hot water. I wonder how many are going to be on the same teams next year.
            And lastly did you see the youtube autosport video about Danny ric's contract issues. pretty interesting.
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              Let me give you an example of just how hard it is to set up a formula car. A freind of mine and his brother have two identical cars. They were set up identically. Same corner weights, same camber, caster, toe, etc. Same shocks. But one car, once it got turned in and took a set, when the driver goes to the throttle, which is of course well before the apex, the car would lose weight on the front wheels and understeer. So they were having to get on the throttle slower and more progressively. Of course this compromises lap times.

              So bottom line they found one rear ball joint a couple of centimeters higher than the other car's similar ball joint. They were able thus to space the opposite corner top ball joint up about 1/2 an inch which lowered the instantaneous roll center sufficiently to make it run like the second car. Still a lot of work to find a very small difference.
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                Originally posted by manurespreader View Post
                Let me give you an example of just how hard it is to set up a formula car. A freind of mine and his brother have two identical cars. They were set up identically. Same corner weights, same camber, caster, toe, etc. Same shocks. But one car, once it got turned in and took a set, when the driver goes to the throttle, which is of course well before the apex, the car would lose weight on the front wheels and understeer. So they were having to get on the throttle slower and more progressively. Of course this compromises lap times.

                So bottom line they found one rear ball joint a couple of centimeters higher than the other car's similar ball joint. They were able thus to space the opposite corner top ball joint up about 1/2 an inch which lowered the instantaneous roll center sufficiently to make it run like the second car. Still a lot of work to find a very small difference.
                (Ignoring the safety concerns) and just consider if there's an invisible hairline crack, that changes the stiffness of the chassis? Then all of the roll centers are not even controlled very well... I recall a few years ago, one of the teams really struggled with the two cars, and they eventually found a crack in the chassis.

                On the other hand, when you get it right, I suspect it's very rewarding.

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                • Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

                  Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                  (Ignoring the safety concerns) and just consider if there's an invisible hairline crack, that changes the stiffness of the chassis? Then all of the roll centers are not even controlled very well... I recall a few years ago, one of the teams really struggled with the two cars, and they eventually found a crack in the chassis.

                  On the other hand, when you get it right, I suspect it's very rewarding.
                  yep. and that's one reason that Williams, earlier in the year, swapped Kubica's car for Russells.
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                  • Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

                    First big change has happened- Gasley has been replaced by Albon for the top Red Bull team. And they really needed more speed from Gasley to protect Max.

                    If there's another change, my gut suggests Kubica- regardless of how good a story it's been to see him back.

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                    • Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

                      Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                      First big change has happened- Gasley has been replaced by Albon for the top Red Bull team. And they really needed more speed from Gasley to protect Max.

                      If there's another change, my gut suggests Kubica- regardless of how good a story it's been to see him back.
                      Albon is awful green. He's done a good job but I doubt he's actually ready. I would have picked Kvyat but politically he couldn't be moved.
                      I'd be surprised if Kubica goes and he might even be back next year. Now if you had said one or both of the Haas guys, i'd completely agree.
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                      • Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

                        In terms of Haas, everything I read calls Grojean a far better development driver than Magnusson. So I suspect Kevin will be out.

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                        • Re: Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

                          Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                          In terms of Haas, everything I read calls Grojean a far better development driver than Magnusson. So I suspect Kevin will be out.
                          But Grosjean makes too many mistakes, and I think Steiner's patience has run out on him.

                          And, it's Gasly.

                          You need an F1 driver's name spelling lesson. LOL
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                            Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
                            But Grosjean makes too many mistakes, and I think Steiner's patience has run out on him.

                            And, it's Gasly.

                            You need an F1 driver's name spelling lesson. LOL
                            Kevin does, too. So if you had to choose one, it seems to me that Magnussen brings less to the table than Grosjean.

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                              Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                              Kevin does, too. So if you had to choose one, it seems to me that Magnussen brings less to the table than Grosjean.
                              Or, they could wind up dumping both. Don't think that would be smart, but...
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