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Originally posted by Drew S. View PostThat’s more or less how I feel as well. To me a hold is a negative given where things stand right now. Maine needs to bring in three legit top six forwards and it sounds like that isn’t happening.
Why do you think Red has had trouble finding top six forwards? Is it more an issue of identifying the right ones or missing out on them? To be fair, he’s done a great job with goalies, Dmen, and bottom six forwards. In college hockey your top two lines oftentimes determine your success though.
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Originally posted by Drew S. View PostThat’s more or less how I feel as well. To me a hold is a negative given where things stand right now. Maine needs to bring in three legit top six forwards and it sounds like that isn’t happening.
Why do you think Red has had trouble finding top six forwards? Is it more an issue of identifying the right ones or missing out on them? To be fair, he’s done a great job with goalies, Dmen, and bottom six forwards. In college hockey your top two lines oftentimes determine your success though.
Where I believe Red has struggled, in particular early on is, scholarship allocation which stemmed from: A) his decision to honor all scholarships form the previous regime and B) he and his staff's lack of experience balancing the limited scholarships available year over year which ties your hands on the recruiting trail. As fans, it is important to come to terms with the fact that parity in college hockey is such now that a half scholarship here or there makes a HUGE difference. Just look at the Holway effect from this season! It puts a team at a massive disadvantage.UMaine Black Bears Recruit Info Site GO BLUE!!
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Recruit Update: Xavier Henry will lace up the skates for Chilliwack (BCHL) next year. From a development perspective this is a good move for Xavier.
https://chilliwackchiefs.net/chiefs-...muTox2cgTl1HugUMaine Black Bears Recruit Info Site GO BLUE!!
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How about a “top 6” forward is anyone remotely capable of getting to 100 career points. Havent really seen one. Fossier should get there if he stays.
Dont particulalry care if they get them on the rush or by cycling the puck to death but I will say the supposed emphasis on size when the rest of the country is getting swifter has backfired and moved us backwards, and probably contributed to the penalty issues.
Maine Hockey: I want to believe
43-21-4 (.662) in games I attended over 4 years as a student
104-47-14 (.669) in that time
3x FROZEN FOUR
11-20-2 in games I've attended since. (2-2-1 under Red)
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Originally posted by BoSox3066 View PostHow about a “top 6” forward is anyone remotely capable of getting to 100 career points. Havent really seen one. Fossier should get there if he stays.
Dont particulalry care if they get them on the rush or by cycling the puck to death but I will say the supposed emphasis on size when the rest of the country is getting swifter has backfired and moved us backwards, and probably contributed to the penalty issues.
Fossier 86pts or 3yr ave = 28.6 pts
Pearson 78pts or 3yr ave = 26 pts
Tralmaks 42pts or 2yr ave = 21 pts
Doherty 40pts or 2yr ave = 21 pts
Vesey 82 pts or 4yr ave = 20.5 ptsUMaine Black Bears Recruit Info Site GO BLUE!!
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Originally posted by Bhall44 View PostI think that is as good a definition as any actually!! Of course would need to be standardized for going pro early by averaging years active. Top line forward above 100pts (25+average) second line 75-100pts (18.75-25 average). The list looks like this sorted by average point total, freshmen excluded (too little data).
Fossier 86pts or 3yr ave = 28.6 pts
Pearson 78pts or 3yr ave = 26 pts
Tralmaks 42pts or 2yr ave = 21 pts
Doherty 40pts or 2yr ave = 21 pts
Vesey 82 pts or 4yr ave = 20.5 pts
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=3779
Hard to believe PK scored in one season what it would take Pearson to do in 4 years.
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Originally posted by Bhall44 View PostI think that is as good a definition as any actually!! Of course would need to be standardized for going pro early by averaging years active. Top line forward above 100pts (25+average) second line 75-100pts (18.75-25 average). The list looks like this sorted by average point total, freshmen excluded (too little data).
Fossier 86pts or 3yr ave = 28.6 pts
Pearson 78pts or 3yr ave = 26 pts
Tralmaks 42pts or 2yr ave = 21 pts
Doherty 40pts or 2yr ave = 21 pts
Vesey 82 pts or 4yr ave = 20.5 ptsOriginally posted by BobbyBrady
Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year
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Originally posted by Drew S. View PostI also like the definition. The issue as your post above clearly shows is that Maine doesn’t have enough quality players. To be an NCAA team I would argue you need seven top six forwards. For Maine to just swap Pearson for Breen and hope Poisson is better than Robbins isn’t enough. I’d also point out that for three straight years (Pappalardo, Holesinsky, Dawe) Maine has had someone who has been way below expectations.
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Originally posted by Drew S. View PostI also like the definition. The issue as your post above clearly shows is that Maine doesn’t have enough quality players. To be an NCAA team I would argue you need seven top six forwards. For Maine to just swap Pearson for Breen and hope Poisson is better than Robbins isn’t enough. I’d also point out that for three straight years (Pappalardo, Holesinsky, Dawe) Maine has had someone who has been way below expectations.
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Originally posted by amkirby10 View PostDawe was below expectations due to injury trouble. I know he didn't light up the score sheet, and that is what matters in the end, but watching the games the kid was all over the place and made a lot of good plays and created chances.
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Originally posted by Drew S. View PostI also like the definition. The issue as your post above clearly shows is that Maine doesn’t have enough quality players.
Fossier JR 28.6
Pearson JR 26
Tralmaks SO 21
75.6 pts
Robbins SR 16.25
Doherty SO 20
JSS FR 14
50.25 pts (ideal is 18 x 3 = 54 pts)
Shea JR 14.6
Smith JR 8.3
Westerlund SO 11
33.9 pts (shooting for 12 x 3 = 36 pts)
Perez SR 4.75
Quinlivan SO 2
Dawe FR 14 (7 actual pts; multiplied by 2 to project if he played full season instead of half season
20.75 pts (shooting for 8 x 3 = 24 pts)
1) 2nd line LW: a senior averaging 16 pts across his 4 years would be an above average 3rd liner vs. below average 2nd liner. As a freshmen JSS gets a pass for falling below the 18 point requirement of a second liner our metrics focus on career average and first year production is typically, though not always, your lowest career production. Overall i think consensus amongst fans is this line did not have a good year.
2) 3rd line RW: As it was our 3rd line often outperformed opposing teams 3rd line and was often a strength. However I like to focus on maximizing productivity. let me state that this is not a knock on Ryan Smith rather a, in my book a line combo strategy critique. Smith is an exceptional 4th line RW and PKer. He had arguably his best season at Maine. However he doesn't create offense. you need offense from your third line and pairing up Adam Dawe's playmaking vision with Shea's speed and Westerlund's one-timer would have likely led to more production from 3rd line. In fact these guys shifted on a couple of occassions this year and the dynamic potential was visible but resulted in near misses and no points. With some more time together I believe more production was inevitable. All rendered moot was Dawezy was knocked senseless against Northeastern.
3) 4th line production: This has been critiqued a million times across all Maine threads. The data backs it up. Nothing more to be said other than a healthy Pieper would have been immensely beneficial here.
Hindsight is 20/20 but to have corrected these weaknessess Red & Co would either have to:
A) Have recruited a more talented player than Robbins to fill the 2nd line LW spot - what I am now referring to as the "top 6 issue thesis" - which possibly would have been rectified had the Ben Meyers debacle been avoided and he arrived in Orono this past season. (a quick aside - recently the Meyers situation was replicated with Craig Needham and Red & Co has set themselves up once again next winter to have the situation resurface!!!! another example of the roster management weakness early mentioned). This would have allowed for slotting Robbins in as 3rd line LW and Westerlund as 4th line LW. Do this and Maine is improved.
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B) Have recruited more production at 4th line LW or C than Perez or Quinlivan. Misfortune with Pieper injury did not help here either but also highlights the importance of depth. This route is certainly more easy and cheaper than luring top 6 talent. Do this and Maine improves.
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C) Ideally we want to see both A & B be true. Which is obviously what championship teams do and what all of us UMaine fans want to see happen.... we can only hope
Thanks for all the great conversation, insight, and activity on the thread today. Lots of funUMaine Black Bears Recruit Info Site GO BLUE!!
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Originally posted by Drew S. View PostDo you think Osadick, Morrisey, or Sasson will come in next season? Where do you see Roy fitting in?
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Originally posted by dogtagger View PostBoy I really wonder about Osadick after what happened to Dawe this year. Does anyone think he's too small to make it? Elite Prospects shows he's 5' 6" and 130 lbs! Yikes.UMaine Black Bears Recruit Info Site GO BLUE!!
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Originally posted by dogtagger View PostBoy I really wonder about Osadick after what happened to Dawe this year. Does anyone think he's too small to make it? Elite Prospects shows he's 5' 6" and 130 lbs! Yikes.
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