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    Re: Gender Studies I

    Day 1 of HRT.

    Now.

    I don't understand how anyone can tell the difference and still say I'm just a confused boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    AP Style and Chicago Style also mandate singular they.

    The only major style guide to not mandate singular they is MLA. I should know... I keep up with this stuff.
    "They/them/their is acceptable in limited cases as a singular and/or gender-neutral pronoun, when alternative wording is overly awkward or clumsy. However, rewording usually is possible and always is preferable. Clarity is a top priority; gender-neutral use of a singular they is unfamiliar to many readers. We do not use other gender-neutral pronouns such as xe or ze."
    Bolded for emphasis. Just because 90% of the population is lazy and bad with language doesn't mean the other 10% should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    "They/them/their is acceptable in limited cases as a singular and/or gender-neutral pronoun, when alternative wording is overly awkward or clumsy. However, rewording usually is possible and always is preferable. Clarity is a top priority; gender-neutral use of a singular they is unfamiliar to many readers. We do not use other gender-neutral pronouns such as xe or ze."
    Bolded for emphasis. Just because 90% of the population is lazy and bad with language doesn't mean the other 10% should be.
    And you are entitled to your opinion. However, If a non-binary person says their pronouns are they/them, do your best to honor that.
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    Re: Gender Studies I

    If your new boss told you, "John Majors, nice to meet you. However, please only refer to me as 'Johnson McF##kface in the future'" what do you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    If your new boss told you, "John Majors, nice to meet you. However, please only refer to me as 'Johnson McF##kface in the future'" what do you do?
    I avoid all office parties where I might have to speak to his wife.
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    Re: Gender Studies I

    I took some of the harmful rhetoric I keep hearing, and flipped it.

    "If I were a doctor, and a cis person needed my help, I wouldn't. It goes against my religion."

    "Oh, you need to have your gallbladder removed? That's now a cosmetic surgery and you'll have to pay out of pocket."

    "I don't think cis people should be allowed to use the bathroom they identify with in public. What if they rape someone?"

    "We should send cis people to conversion therapy. Being cis isn't normal."

    "My son just came out as cis. I threw him out of the house."

    "A few of us LGBT folks are lobbying the city council to keep straight and cis books under lock and key. You should need parental consent to access those."

    "Parents of cis children are sacrificing their children to Molech."

    "Cis people come into my store all the time, and I've denied service to all of them, because it goes against my religion."

    "I should be able to harass and fire my cis employees. They creep me out."

    "Cis people in their pants ruining sports. It isn't fair to the other competitors."

    There are many more things I could say. I just want people to imagine the tables were turned. If you are cis, how would you like to hear that you're a rapist just because you're using the bathroom? How would you like to be told you could be fired because you're cis? How would you like constantly hearing you're ruining sports, even though the data on that agrees with you? Answer is, you wouldn't. You would try to ignore it and live your life, but the harmful rhetoric will wear on you and leave you feeling depressed and unwilling to leave your house
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    I'd remove the gallbladder line, that's something that would cause the average reader to get lost in the weeds, completely missing the larger point.
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    Re: Gender Studies I

    Point noted for later.
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    Re: Gender Studies I

    Last night I learned that even with an ID that says female, blood work that reads under 10 nmol/L testosterone for over a year with willingness to be tested more than every 6 months, and zero desire to change my gender back to male... I still need USA Triathlon approval to compete as a woman in USAT sanctioned events. Keep fighting, right?
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    Re: Gender Studies I

    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    Last night I learned that even with an ID that says female, blood work that reads under 10 nmol/L testosterone for over a year with willingness to be tested more than every 6 months, and zero desire to change my gender back to male... I still need USA Triathlon approval to compete as a woman in USAT sanctioned events. Keep fighting, right?
    If this is a blanket set of rules for all levels (neighborhood, summer town festival tri up to Olympic/World Championships), I think you have to consider that sports are a unique area when it comes to this. Biology/Physiology can and will be a legit difference and is an area that will likely be exploited in the name of winning at the upper levels for sure. Hopefully USA Tri can bifurcate their rules regarding this between "elite" competition and "for fun" competition, becoming much more lax for the latter.

    As for local competition, just race yourself/the clock and whomever is the next person in front of you (assuming that this is a mass start event for all). You will know your time and how it compares to the rest of the field. You can see where you finished regarding sex, age, and performance classes.
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    Re: Gender Studies I

    Tier A post

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    Re: Gender Studies I

    No, I think I will fight on this. USAT uses International Olympic Committee standards:


    International Olympic Committee (IOC) Consensus Meeting in November 2015 agreed the following guidelines to be taken into account by sports organizations when determining eligibility to compete in male and female competition:
    1. Those who transition from female to male are eligible to compete in the male category without restriction.
    2. Those who transition from male to female are eligible to compete in the female category under the following conditions:

    2.1. The athlete has declared that her gender identity is female. The declaration cannot be changed, for sporting purposes, for a minimum of four years.
    2.2. The athlete must demonstrate that her total testosterone level in serum has been below 10 nmol/L for at least 12 months prior to her first competition (with the requirement for any longer period to be based on a confidential case-by-case evaluation, considering whether or not 12 months is a sufficient length of time to minimize any advantage in womenís competition).
    2.3. The athlete's total testosterone level in serum must remain below 10nmol/L throughout the period of desired eligibility to compete in the female category.
    2.4. Compliance with these conditions may be monitored by testing. In the event of non-compliance, the athleteís eligibility for female competition will be suspended for 12 months.
    So right now, I'm going to the race director and USAT and will tell them both I have blood work they can verify.
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    Then itís worth it. You decide whatís important. Go get it girl

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Then itís worth it. You decide whatís important. Go get it girl
    Of course, all of this is for naught if I need to have another surgery on my right foot. So I'll fight, but be cautious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    Of course, all of this is for naught if I need to have another surgery on my right foot. So I'll fight, but be cautious.
    Good plan. Focus on getting healthy first. Especially if it impacts long-term basic mobility. That's so critical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Good plan. Focus on getting healthy first. Especially if it impacts long-term basic mobility. That's so critical.
    Right now, I can't even pick my leg up to get on my bike. So yes, I'll focus on getting healthy first.
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    Re: Gender Studies I

    And part of why I really don't want to date cis men any more. Too often, they won't love me with stubble in the morning. They won't love me with visible chest hair (I don't have a lot, but it's there). I don't have a feminine voice (this still upsets me). The hormone fairy didn't leave me well endowed in the chest (meaning I'm going in for augmentation sometime next year). They don't love me when they find out all that. When they discover I don't meet what they see on PornHub, they bail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    And part of why I really don't want to date cis men any more. Too often, they won't love me with stubble in the morning. They won't love me with visible chest hair (I don't have a lot, but it's there). I don't have a feminine voice (this still upsets me). The hormone fairy didn't leave me well endowed in the chest (meaning I'm going in for augmentation sometime next year). They don't love me when they find out all that. When they discover I don't meet what they see on PornHub, they bail.
    I assume you know this from experience (or not?); either way, that's terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    I assume you know this from experience (or not?); either way, that's terrible.
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    Re: Gender Studies I

    No. We can't choose our essential being and we also can't choose our attractions.

    As much as I sympathize, I can't see this as a valid criticism of cis men. The whole idea is to embrace who one is, with honesty. If we start putting normative evaluations on desires then we are right back where we started with people being shamed for who they are.

    Even though the shoe is on the other foot, that's still wrong.
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