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    Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    So the two-year old with the "solution", is the kid's name Snidely Whiplash?

    And his "solution" does seem to be the most equitable.
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    • #3
      Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

      Reviving the Philosophy thread for an interesting discussion of Nominalism, my favorite problem in philosophy.

      Previously on Nominalism:

      It's the question of whether "universals" exist. For example, all we ever see in nature are particular things -- this pine tree and that oak tree. So, where'd the idea of "tree" come from and does "treeness" really exist in the world? "Realists" (a much abused term but in this case we're talking about the Medieval scholastic) say yes, "treeness" is a thing with reality in the world. "Nominalists" say treeness is just a useful concept, a name, we arbitrarily use. The middle people, "Conceptualists," say that universals are not things in the "real" world (by which they mean the world of things that have extension in space) but they are real in the way that things in our heads are real.

      Nominalism is the bette noire of Catholic intellectuals in particular because its promulgation by philosophical monks in the Middle Ages (Peter Abelard being the star of the show, William of Okham as in the Razor being another important figure) is generally blamed for the separation of philosophy from theology by the former's adoption of logical methods. From this, if you're a Thomist, comes skepticism and eventually, I dunno, bikinis.

      This seems to be a less hamfisted analysis of the whole deal, albeit still from a doctrinaire Catholic perspective, meaning, if you don't get the scriptural answer then your logic is bad, not the scripture. Catholic High Philosophy always has this feeling of casuistry to it if you are a hard-headed rationalist (they don't like rationalism, either, because stuff like the Trinity doesn't go well if you start using reason on it -- you are, after all, supposed to Believe first and then, if possible, Understand, and not the other way round).

      It sucks that Bob Gray's gone; he'd have eaten this like crack. Old Pio would have liked it, too. I have hopes for joe as a substitute interlocutor, but if there's anybody else who wants to talk about angels on the head of a pin, welcome!
      Last edited by Kepler; 05-21-2019, 01:27 PM.
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        Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

        Last edited by Kepler; 05-09-2021, 04:16 AM.
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          Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Reviving the Philosophy thread for an interesting discussion of Nominalism, my favorite problem in philosophy.

          Previously on Nominalism:

          It's the question of whether "universals" exist. For example, all we ever see in nature are particular things -- this pine tree and that oak tree. So, where'd the idea of "tree" come from and does "treeness" really exist in the world? "Realists" (a much abused term but in this case we're talking about the Medieval scholastic) say yes, "treeness" is a thing with reality in the world. "Nominalists" say treeness is just a useful concept, a name, we arbitrarily use. The middle people, "Conceptualists," say that universals are not things in the "real" world (by which they mean the world of things that have extension in space) but they are real in the way that things in our heads are real.

          Nominalism is the bette noire of Catholic intellectuals in particular because its promulgation by philosophical monks in the Middle Ages (Peter Abelard being the star of the show, William of Okham as in the Razor being another important figure) is generally blamed for the separation of philosophy from theology by the former's adoption of logical methods. From this, if you're a Thomist, comes skepticism and eventually, I dunno, bikinis.

          This seems to be a less hamfisted analysis of the whole deal, albeit still from a doctrinaire Catholic perspective, meaning, if you don't get the scriptural answer then your logic is bad, not the scripture. Catholic High Philosophy always has this feeling of casuistry to it if you are a hard-headed rationalist (they don't like rationalism, either, because stuff like the Trinity doesn't go well if you start using reason on it -- you are, after all, supposed to Believe first and then, if possible, Understand, and not the other way round).

          It sucks that Bob Gray's gone; he'd have eaten this like crack. Old Pio would have liked it, too. I have hopes for joe as a substitute interlocutor, but if there's anybody else who wants to talk about angels on the head of a pin, welcome!
          Thanks for putting this out there. I'd guess that most of us struggled at some point in our youth with the likes of Aquinas and, due to lack of horsepower, time, appetite, educational foundation, or some combination of those, experienced limited success. Now, years later, it's a pitiful struggle. But at least your comments on what we "see" in nature evoked thoughts about Wordsworth's Intimations Ode. It's off point, I know, but your post prompted me to read it again, so thx.

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            Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

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              Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

              him: do you have my money

              me: if i do it’s in this

              him: what’s that

              me: my schrödinger's box

              him: ok open it up

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                Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

                Doc: Your file says you've got a degree from NYU. What in?

                Dalton: Philosophy.

                Doc: Any particular discipline?

                Dalton: No. Not really. Man's search for faith. That sort of chit.

                Doc: Come up with any answers?

                Dalton: Not too many.
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                  Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

                  Charlotte: I majored in philosophy.
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                    Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

                    Q. Why do philosophers go to strip clubs?

                    A. Epictetus!
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                      Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

                      Inaccurate, mean, funny:

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                        Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

                        Here's our boy for reals (via Vigo).
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                          Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

                          Things they neglected to teach in high school.
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                            Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            Things they neglected to teach in high school.
                            "But, in the end, the cash strapped French government inadvertently managed to fund one of the great mathematicians and greatest philosophers of the age, the latter of which, at least, likely would have been forgotten to history if not for his vast wealth that allowed his brilliant mind free rein to write on whatever he wished without having to worry too much about money, public opinion, or the ire of the elite."

                            Probably a lesson here about public funding of the arts....which has been no doubt lost to history.
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                              Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel

                              Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                              "But, in the end, the cash strapped French government inadvertently managed to fund one of the great mathematicians and greatest philosophers of the age, the latter of which, at least, likely would have been forgotten to history if not for his vast wealth that allowed his brilliant mind free rein to write on whatever he wished without having to worry too much about money, public opinion, or the ire of the elite."

                              Probably a lesson here about public funding of the arts....which has been no doubt lost to history.
                              Well, the lottery is a tax on the stupid, so they got that part right anyway.
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