RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

[lugnut92]

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Qpac Im sure is the addition to HEA. RIT into ECAC. I still think at some pt the Ivies peel off, I cant imagine they were pleased with the way that ECAC ran tourney this weekend. I'm calling for realignment when this happens. My new league would be the Empire League, Tute, Onion, RIT, Gate, Clarkson, SLU, Niagara, Cansius, Niagara. I would be league czar and Fishcore would be Dir. of Officiating.

After a few tweets back and forth with WaP, Holy Cross is a much better fit for the ECAC, at least geographically. RIT would blow up the current travel partner system.

[FlagDUDE08]

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After a few tweets back and forth with WaP, Holy Cross is a much better fit for the ECAC, at least geographically. RIT would blow up the current travel partner system.

Actually, if you partner Princeton with Cornell and RIT with Colgate, it actually helps it out a bit, especially when it comes to difference between ivy and non-ivy. However, if CHC came in, probably partner with Dartmouth, and the others would go back to the partners we had in the days when UVM was in the ECAC. Only trouble is that CHC would probably have to move up their women's team from D-III, as having the same teams for men and women is attractive to the league.

[Ralph Baer]

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Qpac Im sure is the addition to HEA. RIT into ECAC. I still think at some pt the Ivies peel off, I cant imagine they were pleased with the way that ECAC ran tourney this weekend. I'm calling for realignment when this happens. My new league would be the Empire League, Tute, Onion, RIT, Gate, Clarkson, SLU, Niagara, Cansius, Niagara. I would be league czar and Fishcore would be Dir. of Officiating.

Niagara has two teams?

[ServinisScores]

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as a twist, I wonder when UMass will get voted off the HE island. That program has turned into an embarassment and not a good look for HE.

[FlagDUDE08]

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as a twist, I wonder when UMass will get voted off the HE island. That program has turned into an embarassment and not a good look for HE.

KICK PROVICED} OUT OF HOCKEY RAST!!!

Had to.

[AspyDad]

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as a twist, I wonder when UMass will get voted off the HE island. That program has turned into an embarassment and not a good look for HE.

UMASS correctly took a pass on Mongo, expect Ben Barr to get UMASS job.

[DrDemento]

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Niagara has two teams?

Yes, one on each side of the falls. The Canadian side team is in better shape than the American side team.

[jmhusker]

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Yes, one on each side of the falls. The Canadian side team is in better shape than the American side team.

I also think QU is a goner. I think a NY team fits best as a replacement because a spin-off of the IVY teams would leave CHC all by itself in MA. RIT makes more sense to me!

[lugnut92]

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The problem with RIT is the travel partner situation. If you assume Quinny out, RIT in, you're left with Princeton and RIT unpaired. That's a 5 hour, 23 minute drive from Princeton to Rochester, so it's obviously not an option. In order to minimize the driving distances between travel partners, everyone but Clarkson and SLU have to be broken up and repaired. You're left with Dartmouth-RPI, Colgate-Union, Cornell-RIT, Princeton-Yale, and Harvard-Brown (solution found by simulated annealing). So no more RPI-Union and Colgate-Cornell rivalry pairs and an overall increase in distance between travel pairs. The Cornell-Princeton pair suggested by FlagDUDE is a four hour drive, a 50% increase over the current long pair (Princeton-Quinnipiac).

Holy Cross, on the other hand, allows you to leave everything alone except Yale-Brown, which is split in favor of Yale-Princeton, and Brown-HC, which is better for distances than even our current system.

If emotions were the only thing involved in picking a new team, RIT is the definite choice, as any conference could stand to use another Upstate NY engineering school (please don't start arguing "upstate"). That said, they just don't make sense geographically. They'd be about as remote as Princeton is now, and would make the OG Tigers have to travel even further.

[rsfs04]

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The problem with RIT is the travel partner situation. If you assume Quinny out, RIT in, you're left with Princeton and RIT unpaired. That's a 5 hour, 23 minute drive from Princeton to Rochester, so it's obviously not an option. In order to minimize the driving distances between travel partners, everyone but Clarkson and SLU have to be broken up and repaired. You're left with Dartmouth-RPI, Colgate-Union, Cornell-RIT, Princeton-Yale, and Harvard-Brown (solution found by simulated annealing). So no more RPI-Union and Colgate-Cornell rivalry pairs and an overall increase in distance between travel pairs. The Cornell-Princeton pair suggested by FlagDUDE is a four hour drive, a 50% increase over the current long pair (Princeton-Quinnipiac).

Holy Cross, on the other hand, allows you to leave everything alone except Yale-Brown, which is split in favor of Yale-Princeton, and Brown-HC, which is better for distances than even our current system.

If emotions were the only thing involved in picking a new team, RIT is the definite choice, as any conference could stand to use another Upstate NY engineering school (please don't start arguing "upstate"). That said, they just don't make sense geographically. They'd be about as remote as Princeton is now, and would make the OG Tigers have to travel even further.

Completely valid points that I agree with. Just think it's jumping the gun to assume Quinnipiac goes to HE. As has been mentioned on other threads and the college hockey community at large - why? They are quite successful where they currently are. A jump to Hockey East is no guarantee of remaining elite among your competition, those teams mostly recruit top, top players. Arguments for are largely about increased exposure, as HE does a much better job of branding and getting itself on TV than ECAC (how bad the ECAC is at these things is a whole separate issue).

I've also read, though have no way to confirm, the administration at Quinnipiac very much likes being in the same breath as Harvard and Yale. If that's true, you definitely lose some school prestige in HE. In general, I think HE taking HC or Mercyhurst is the most likely outcome.

[QUAlum2004]

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Completely valid points that I agree with. Just think it's jumping the gun to assume Quinnipiac goes to HE. As has been mentioned on other threads and the college hockey community at large - why? They are quite successful where they currently are. A jump to Hockey East is no guarantee of remaining elite among your competition, those teams mostly recruit top, top players. Arguments for are largely about increased exposure, as HE does a much better job of branding and getting itself on TV than ECAC (how bad the ECAC is at these things is a whole separate issue).

I've also read, though have no way to confirm, the administration at Quinnipiac very much likes being in the same breath as Harvard and Yale. If that's true, you definitely lose some school prestige in HE. In general, I think HE taking HC or Mercyhurst is the most likely outcome.

I don't see any way they take Mercyhurst. That is bad travel situation, a small rink not even close to HE standards. Quinnipiac will be the first choice of HE. If they turn they down then HC gets dibs.

[Red Cloud]

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I don't see any way they take Mercyhurst. That is bad travel situation, a small rink not even close to HE standards. Quinnipiac will be the first choice of HE. If they turn they down then HC gets dibs.

lol

[Jasma]

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I agree that Q'pac to HE is far from certain. Remember, HE went a couple of years with 11 teams before ND came in. Q'Pac may indeed prefer rubbing elbows with the Ivies, as does RPI, Union, SLU and CCT.
Q'Pac and perhaps RPI are the only likely choices for HE at this juncture. I think RPI is a long shot, at best. I don't believe HC has a suitable rink - does anyone here know? Mercyhurst is too far, doesn't have a comparable building and is just not similar enough to most of the other schools in the league. So, I think it is very difficult to have any idea how this will shake out. If Q'Pac switches to HE, it could be the catalyst for the Ivies to finally split off, take an auto bid and leave the rest of the ECACH teams to fend for themselves with even less to market to TV and national advertisers than they have now. I don't think that will happen just yet, but it could. A league with the remaining 5 ECACH (NY) teams scrambling to get enough viable programs to fill out the league and maintain its automatic NCAA bid would be very sad to watch. At that point, RIT (which is the only NY technical university to make the NCAA in the past several years) and Robert Morris would be "must gets" for the Empire League. They would need 3 more decent teams to be more than a mid-major conference and I don't know where they would come from. Mercyhurst might be one, but pickings get very slim after that, unless there are any new D I programs planning to launch soon. This could make for a very interesting off-season.

[rsfs04]

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I don't see any way they take Mercyhurst. That is bad travel situation, a small rink not even close to HE standards. Quinnipiac will be the first choice of HE. If they turn they down then HC gets dibs.

When I wrote Mercyhust, I was thinking of Bentley. Quite different. Apologies.

[rsfs04]

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I agree that Q'pac to HE is far from certain. Remember, HE went a couple of years with 11 teams before ND came in. Q'Pac may indeed prefer rubbing elbows with the Ivies, as does RPI, Union, SLU and CCT.
Q'Pac and perhaps RPI are the only likely choices for HE at this juncture. I think RPI is a long shot, at best. I don't believe HC has a suitable rink - does anyone here know? Mercyhurst is too far, doesn't have a comparable building and is just not similar enough to most of the other schools in the league. So, I think it is very difficult to have any idea how this will shake out. If Q'Pac switches to HE, it could be the catalyst for the Ivies to finally split off, take an auto bid and leave the rest of the ECACH teams to fend for themselves with even less to market to TV and national advertisers than they have now. I don't think that will happen just yet, but it could. A league with the remaining 5 ECACH (NY) teams scrambling to get enough viable programs to fill out the league and maintain its automatic NCAA bid would be very sad to watch. At that point, RIT (which is the only NY technical university to make the NCAA in the past several years) and Robert Morris would be "must gets" for the Empire League. They would need 3 more decent teams to be more than a mid-major conference and I don't know where they would come from. Mercyhurst might be one, but pickings get very slim after that, unless there are any new D I programs planning to launch soon. This could make for a very interesting off-season.

Here are WAP's thoughts on the topic. http://www.withoutapeer.com/2016/03/moving-parts.html