The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Abortion Thread

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Joecct comes from a black-and-white, pre-V2 brand of Catholicism. A world in which what the local priest or vicar says, is in lockstep with the Pope. If the Pope sh*ts in the woods, so does the local priest. Known divorcees do not get communion, outed gays do not get communion, etc.

These days, it's well known there are Catholic parishes that are a bit more liberal and ecumenical than others. My parents' parish is a great example - Fr. Joe preaches a rather socialist message, while still toeing the line on Rome's pro-life views. I have to figure he really likes Francis.

He's also tried to sneak into the local bible church to see what the big deal is, and why he's losing members to them (particularly young people). And was recognized and called out by the minister there.

Fr. Joe and Catholicism's problem is that they are too steeped in rituals. Religious people my age are largely dissatisfied by that - we care about messages, not pompous ceremonies with fancy robes and gold cups that were developed to cow the uneducated into submission. Joecct can complain about the "Church of Nice" all he wants, but this is the 21st century reality.

[joecct]

Joecct comes from a black-and-white, pre-V2 brand of Catholicism. A world in which what the local priest or vicar says, is in lockstep with the Pope. If the Pope sh*ts in the woods, so does the local priest. Known divo1rcees do not get communion, outed gays do not get communion, etc.

These days, it's well known there are Catholic parishes that are a bit more liberal and ecumenical than others. My parents' parish is a great example - Fr. Joe preaches a rather socialist message, while still toeing the line on Rome's pro-life views. I have to figure he really likes Francis.

He's also tried to sneak into the local bible church to see what the big deal is, and why he's losing members to them (particularly young people). And was recognized and called out by the minister there.

Fr. Joe and Catholicism's problem is that they are too steeped in rituals. Religious people my age are largely dissatisfied by that - we care about messages, not pompous ceremonies with fancy robes and gold cups that were developed to cow the uneducated into submission. Joecct can complain about the "Church of Nice" all he wants, but this is the 21st century reality.

Truth is not subject to a majority vote. Either it's right or wrong. I'm not personally a big fan of grey.

And in terms of Catholic Mass attendance, look where the Church of Nice got us?

[ericredaxe]

I don't look at it quite that way. I think the only person who knows for sure is God and since nobody here is him/her I think it's very presumptuous to think we are By assuming we know the answer and shoving our version of religion onto someone else.

This of course assumes that a god exists, which is also something that nobody knows for sure.

[manurespreader]

Re: The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Abortion Thread

This of course assumes that a god exists, which is also something that nobody knows for sure.

yep. but the anti choice people are using religion as the reason for their opinion so.....

[Kepler]

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And in terms of Catholic Mass attendance, look where the Church of Nice got us?

As I think we have discussed before, you and I are in total agreement here.

The Church is, quite simply, an authoritarian entity. Christianity itself is authoritarian: the Word is the truth and you don't get to do anything but, at most, think up new ways to applaud the tyrant's magnanimity.

We live in a world of analytical reasoning, scientific method, and the triumph of reason. If you inject that into religion you get small beer that nobody wants. The entire point of religion -- the entire psychological need in the bone marrow of belief -- is the inadequacy of a world of grays to satisfy those who require certainty.

Catholicism should have stopped at the Council of Trent. It's a great product with a great track record. New Coke, OTOH, has been failing ever more spectacularly for the ensuing 500 years. Francis is right as to the social aspects of Catholicism. But on doctrine even Benedict was a wild-eyed reformer. Issue all the software updates you want. Heck, let women into the clergy for that matter. None of that crapola matters. But keep core doctrine -- the hardware -- pure. Otherwise all you've got is one more candidate jockeying for position on the rationality lane and, judging by the results, a lame one.

[dxmnkd316]

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b08c82e888e4fe

Another possible challenge to RvW.

The Supreme Court refused to review Arkansas’ 12-week abortion ban earlier this year, which lower courts had blocked. The high court ruled in Roe v. Wade in 1973 that states are not allowed to prohibit abortions before the fetus is viable, usually around 22 to 24 weeks into the pregnancy.

Republicans said they now feel emboldened to pass the bill because President-elect Donald Trump is likely to appoint anti-abortion conservatives to the Supreme Court.

Christian Sharia Law coming to your state soon!

[joecct]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b08c82e888e4fe

Another possible challenge to RvW.



Christian Sharia Law coming to your state soon!

What restrictions would you tolerate? Ohio is contemplating a law that you can't kill a baby once you can detect a heartbeat. Too much, too soon?

[dxmnkd316]

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What restrictions would you tolerate? Ohio is contemplating a law that you can't kill a baby once you can detect a heartbeat. Too much, too soon?

Embryo.

Despite the fact that the SCOTUS has already turned down a 12-week law, said you can't ban an abortion before the fetus is viable, and you can't prohibit abortions by implementing rules that effectively make it impossible to obtain.

[joecct]

Embryo.

Despite the fact that the SCOTUS has already turned down a 12-week law, said you can't ban an abortion before the fetus is viable, and you can't prohibit abortions by implementing rules that effectively make it impossible to obtain.

Baby. Ask any pregnant family. We lost a baby at 12-14 weeks. Saw the little guy/gal on the ultrasound and he/she had died. There were a lot of tears.

[dxmnkd316]

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I'm sure there were and I'm sorry for your loss.

However, emotional attachment and religious beliefs aside, it's still only an embryo until about a month later when it gets classified as a fetus.

[unofan]

What restrictions would you tolerate? Ohio is contemplating a law that you can't kill a baby once you can detect a heartbeat. Too much, too soon?

A significant portion of women don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks. A miscarriage at six weeks is indistinguishable from a heavy period. Not sure how they'd still have their constitutional right to an abortion under Ohio's proposed law.

[MaizeRage]

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Sofia Vergara is being sued by her own frozen embryos for neglect.

[joecct]

Sofia Vergara is being sued by her own frozen embryos for neglect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_children

[Kepler]

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_children

Very nice. I actually made a similar joker this morning with Dr. Mrs. about the Siberian kids who still have to go to school when it is literally too cold for snowflakes.

[joecct]

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Very nice. I actually made a similar joker this morning with Dr. Mrs. about the Siberian kids who still have to go to school when it is literally too cold for snowflakes.

If you had chosen to go to college a few hundred miles to the north and east, you would know this is bearable.