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    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Is pro tennis really that bad at testing for PEDs, or like MLB did, are they overlooking the obvious in the name of profit? Alternatively, are the PED pushers just getting really good at creating designer PEDs that aren't tested for/banned yet?
    There are a combination of issues. It isn't really a league like MLB and you have guys spread out all over the world outside the tournaments. I think most players are doing something, but it isn't the traditional steroids. Getting stronger wouldn't necessarily even help you in tennis. It's more around being able to train longer and recover faster. I really have no idea how you would train the amount players do these days if you weren't on something, especially the older players. There are good reasons traditionally players had peaked by their mid 20's and were usually done by 30.
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    • Re: Tennis...Anyone?

      Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
      Is pro tennis really that bad at testing for PEDs, or like MLB did, are they overlooking the obvious in the name of profit? Alternatively, are the PED pushers just getting really good at creating designer PEDs that aren't tested for/banned yet?
      One of the challenges (IMHO) is actually defining what constitutes a PED in the first place. There are some prescription drugs, for example, which are both PED and non-PED at the same time, depending upon whether it is deemed medically necessary or not (sorry, I don't have any specific one handy to cite at the moment).

      More broadly, there also are some practices which are in gray areas (hypobaric chambers: it is okay to go to altitude to train, but to use a device to simulate training at altitude while you are at sea level is frowned upon).

      "Nutritional supplements" that have naturally-occurring pharmaceutical properties, yet technically not a "drug" (probably a bad example, but one could chew coca leaves and not be "taking a drug" yet if you refine the active ingredient found in coca leaves and take it on a stand-alone basis you are indeed taking a drug).

      or there are substances that our own bodies produce naturally; yet if we supplement those very same substances, that becomes a PED (HGH, testosterone).


      and some of it is social convention: why is caffeine not considered a "performance enhancer" when clearly it is (famous marathon runner Bill Rodgers extolled its virtues to help his performance).
      Last edited by FreshFish; 09-14-2017, 08:17 AM.
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        Interesting theories on doping. Husband and I were discussing if it seems less likely in tennis as some of it is more finesse than brute strength. I think to be a top athlete today involves some form of PED. If you don't, the guy trying for your spot will.

        Icarus, on Netflix was an interesting documentary about doping that took a gigantic turn. If you're interested in PEDs, how athletes cheat tests, WADA and Russia's Olympic doping scandal, it's a must see.
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          The upcoming premier of Battle of the Sexes recalls the original spectacle from 1973.

          Wow, back then, they really promoted that King vs. Riggs match and put on a real performance, not just a tennis match (getting carried into the Astrodome in a decorated chair with bearers carrying them on poles on their shoulders, the buildup, the crowd's excitement). Howard Cosell of course was the announcer.

          Adding to the drama was that, earlier that year, Riggs had played Margaret Court and beaten her handily. He really played up the "male chauvinist pig" role to the hilt, no doubt the better to promote the match (and improve his share of the gate and TV profits).

          I think it is by far the tennis match with the largest TV viewership ever (90 million).

          Apparently, in the movie, they use real tennis players as body doubles during the actual game scenes, with the original Howard Cosell narration in places.
          Last edited by FreshFish; 09-21-2017, 03:00 PM.
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            On the women's side at Wimbledon, the top 10 seeds are all out. But Serena's still going.
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              serena made be the most appealing woman on earth!!
              a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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              • Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                serena made be the most appealing woman on earth!!
                That title is usually reserved for She Who Must Be Obeyed.
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                  Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
                  On the women's side at Wimbledon, the top 10 seeds are all out. But Serena's still going.
                  Wow. That's insane.
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                  • Originally posted by joecct View Post
                    That title is usually reserved for She Who Must Be Obeyed.
                    Indeed

                    Serena MUST be obeyed
                    a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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                    • Re: Tennis...Anyone?

                      Federer blows a 2-set lead and loses in the quarters.
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                      God, that was fun...

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                        Serena starting to Serena in the semis. Up a set, and now up a break in the 2nd.
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                        God, that was fun...

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                        • Re: Tennis...Anyone?

                          Isner/Anderson right now is great for pace of play. Ace after ace.

                          Edit: Apparently this started at 8am so maybe not. Figured since the fifth set may only be a half hour that's how the others went.
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                            Isner is serving first, so a break basically wins it for him. Surprisingly he's looking the most exhausted despite Anderson going 24 games in the fifth with Fed in the last match.

                            Remember Isner went 70-68 against Mahut 8 years ago.
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                              17 all in the 5th set.
                              A bad cause requires many words.

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                              • Originally posted by SonofSouthie View Post
                                17 all in the 5th set.
                                Isner survives going down 15-40
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