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RPI 2025–26: Off the Critical List and In Recovery

DrDemento said:
W21- Very difficult to find any sort of odds on this one. Seems these last minute ECAC bowls were not on many radar units. The only one I can find is that we are a 9.5 point favorite. You are absolutely correct about common opponents and the results but I had thought both teams had played St. Lawrence also. This has been a surprisingly good season for us and we were within range of turning around one of our losses (Ithaca) which might have changed the ending of this season even if it only moved this ECAC Bowl game to our home field.
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You're right, they did both play St. Lawrence. RPI beat St. Lawrence by 48-0, while SJF scored a 28-23 win, so that one also could be counted as a comparative score in favor of RPI.

Then, again, I can recall back in 1966, someone calculated that by comparative scores, RPI would have beaten Notre Dame that year.
 
Waite21 said:
You're right, they did both play St. Lawrence. RPI beat St. Lawrence by 48-0, while SJF scored a 28-23 win, so that one also could be counted as a comparative score in favor of RPI.

Then, again, I can recall back in 1966, someone calculated that by comparative scores, RPI would have beaten Notre Dame that year.
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I did that kind of calculation a few times back then. Just a fun little exercise that meant nothing of course. What is somewhat telling though is looking at our winning percentage in football over the past 25 years versus the winning percentage for hockey over the same period of time. Astonishing for someone like me who was in Troy for the early to mid 1960's when the winning percentage for football hovered around zero while the hockey team was competing for league and national championships.
 
DrDemento said:
W21- Very difficult to find any sort of odds on this one. Seems these last minute ECAC bowls were not on many radar units. The only one I can find is that we are a 9.5 point favorite. You are absolutely correct about common opponents and the results but I had thought both teams had played St. Lawrence also. This has been a surprisingly good season for us and we were within range of turning around one of our losses (Ithaca) which might have changed the ending of this season even if it only moved this ECAC Bowl game to our home field.
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According to someone I am at best casually acquainted with but is nonetheless extremely connected with the D3 football scene, no different results were needed to move the game to our home field except for an Athletic Departments' willingness to host which includes spending some money above and beyond the ECAC hosting stipend of $1,500.

The ECAC Bowl manual clearly lists both the primary and secondary criteria for the selection of participating teams and, of course, seeding. Of those listed criteria, Fisher does not win a single solitary one over RPI. They don't win a single column on the newer NPI rating chart (one of the primary criteria) either. Clearly, RPI was supposed to be the host of this game.

However, the general understood skuttlebut is that RPI declined to host due to "pre holiday staffing".

These ECAC Bowl games, including the 15 RPI has already participated in, are ALWAYS played within several days of the upcoming holiday. RPI has hosted five of those appearances in 1993, 1995, 2008, 2022 and 2023. That covers three different decades, multiple department heads and only heaven knows how may rank and file athletic staff. Somehow and someway, those people (a number of which I knew personally) always managed to scrape up adequate "pre holiday staffing" and a few extra shekels to host these games while their current day counterparts (of which I know absolutely none) apparently can't swing it or, hopefully not, just can't be bothered.

Either way, this just doesn't sound or smell good for the current state of affairs but, come to think of it, does quite possibly speak volumes for the athletics' people I knew that no longer work here.
 
tony/troy said:
According to someone I am at best casually acquainted with but is nonetheless extremely connected with the D3 football scene, no different results were needed to move the game to our home field except for an Athletic Departments' willingness to host which includes spending some money above and beyond the ECAC hosting stipend of $1,500.

The ECAC Bowl manual clearly lists both the primary and secondary criteria for the selection of participating teams and, of course, seeding. Of those listed criteria, Fisher does not win a single solitary one over RPI. They don't win a single column on the newer NPI rating chart (one of the primary criteria) either. Clearly, RPI was supposed to be the host of this game.

However, the general understood skuttlebut is that RPI declined to host due to "pre holiday staffing".

These ECAC Bowl games, including the 15 RPI has already participated in, are ALWAYS played within several days of the upcoming holiday. RPI has hosted five of those appearances in 1993, 1995, 2008, 2022 and 2023. That covers three different decades, multiple department heads and only heaven knows how may rank and file athletic staff. Somehow and someway, those people (a number of which I knew personally) always managed to scrape up adequate "pre holiday staffing" and a few extra shekels to host these games while their current day counterparts (of which I know absolutely none) apparently can't swing it or, hopefully not, just can't be bothered.

Either way, this just doesn't sound or smell good for the current state of affairs but, come to think of it, does quite possibly speak volumes for the athletics' people I knew that no longer work here.
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Fascinating!! i had fully expected us to be selected as a host location this year and wondered why we were the road team.
 
DrDemento said:
Fascinating!! i had fully expected us to be selected as a host location this year and wondered why we were the road team.
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Several factors weigh in how sites are determined -- including a program willingness and ability to host. In the end, the league makes the call on where games are played. I am sure RPI would prefer a home game, but given it is a holiday weekend, there will be zero students or staff available or willing to help staff a playoff game. A similar scenario played out in D3 hockey where Utica hosted the frozen four last spring after the NCAA stepped in and moved it from a campus location due to geography of remaining teams.... if memory serves.
 
Wicked Slappaahs said:
Several factors weigh in how sites are determined -- including a program willingness and ability to host. In the end, the league makes the call on where games are played. I am sure RPI would prefer a home game, but given it is a holiday weekend, there will be zero students or staff available or willing to help staff a playoff game. A similar scenario played out in D3 hockey where Utica hosted the frozen four last spring after the NCAA stepped in and moved it from a campus location due to geography of remaining teams.... if memory serves.
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I hadn't realized that RPI now gives students an entire week, plus weekends on each side, off for Thanksgiving break. I think we got three days plus one weekend when I was in school.

Must be a lot of things have changed while I wasn't paying attention.
 
Waite21 said:
I hadn't realized that RPI now gives students an entire week, plus weekends on each side, off for Thanksgiving break. I think we got three days plus one weekend when I was in school.

Must be a lot of things have changed while I wasn't paying attention.
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Same here. We got off starting on Wednesday.
 
Football fans - the ECAC bowl game is being streamed on the St. John Fisher website at 12PM today. I could not find any link to any other broadcast on the web via YouTube or otherwise. It would be nice to end our season with a victory!!! Go Red!!!!!!!!!!
 
RPI trails, 17-14, at the half.

But for a defensive touchdown on a fumble recovery, they might be a good bit farther behind than they are. The defense will really need to pick it up in the second half, because they were really pushed around in the first half.
 
RPI came out to play in the second half and won 35-24 even giving up a late TD to make the score closer. Congrats to RPI and the boys for a very good season with only a couple blemishes preventing them from being in the NCAA pool. Hope their success is contagious to our hockey program!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Going 8-3 in a season with seven road games qualifies as a very good season in my book, too.

RPI had their trouble in road games at schools whose names begin with U. But they did just fine in road games at schools named for saints. :)
 
Waite21 said:
Going 8-3 in a season with seven road games qualifies as a very good season in my book, too.

RPI had their trouble in road games at schools whose names begin with U. But they did just fine in road games at schools named for saints. :)
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I could not fathom why we had only 4 home games scheduled for the year out of a total of 11 played. Agree with you completely that this team turned out to be a group of road warriors winning some games easily even while away from Troy. They were only beaten soundly by Utica while the other 2 losses were close enough that we had chances to win both. When we had the chance to tie the Ithaca game with a PAT, I am unsure why coach chose to try to fake and go for 2 but had it worked i am sure i would have felt differently.
 
Early odds for next week's hockey. Girls are a slight favorite against Syracuse in both games and the boys are a slight underdog to Niagara in both games. Of the 4 games I think only the girl's home game with Syracuse will be televised. These games will not appreciably affect our rankings but would be nice to just increase our total win count.
 
DrDemento said:
Early odds for next week's hockey. Girls are a slight favorite against Syracuse in both games and the boys are a slight underdog to Niagara in both games. Of the 4 games I think only the girl's home game with Syracuse will be televised. These games will not appreciably affect our rankings but would be nice to just increase our total win count.
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Let’s hope the men change the last month’s disturbing pattern of only playing one game per weekend. They’ve shown they can be competitive with teams comparable to most of the remaining schedule when they play a solid 60 minutes (beating Union and Clarkson while losing close road games to Mankato and Colgate). They’ve also shown they can’t beat anyone with a sub-par effort, including a home loss to one of the weakest teams in the country, SLU. If they want to hit double digits in wins this season they need to play 120 minutes every weekend.
 
rpi82 said:
Let’s hope the men change the last month’s disturbing pattern of only playing one game per weekend. They’ve shown they can be competitive with teams comparable to most of the remaining schedule when they play a solid 60 minutes (beating Union and Clarkson while losing close road games to Mankato and Colgate). They’ve also shown they can’t beat anyone with a sub-par effort, including a home loss to one of the weakest teams in the country, SLU. If they want to hit double digits in wins this season they need to play 120 minutes every weekend.
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You are so right. They have shown that they can play well for select periods of time. Then just when the games get close, they seem to forget how they got there. They might be able to get away with that against a few teams but not many. Although we have some real talent, now that the gates have been opened to recruitment, so does everyone else.
 
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