Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

[Drew S.]

This same person clearly does not believe the direct source data from states like Florida- even when it's a conservative government, and they said they will be suppressing data. Even that data clearly shows the assumptions that things are getting better are all wrong- from positive rates to hospitalizations to deaths- all of the direct data that they are supplying is wrong because it does not support the narrative they want to say.

The only think people like that believe is any twitter posts that claim it's a hoax, some random person saying that they heard about someone that was falsifying tests, and somehow making the stretch that masks are dangerous. Other than that completely non factual set of thinking, they will not believe anything.

And for that, I totally encourage them to gather up and set up choirs, have loud rallies in small places, congregate in bars really closely with as many people as possible, and to host Covid hoax parties. Please. The sooner the better. And since this is all a hoax, there's no need to go to the hospital when you get sick, especially as all that does is add to fake numbers.

Just stay away from me.

I think there is a significant group of people who claim they believe it’s real but ‘not that bad.’

 

[alfablue]

I think there is a significant group of people who claim they believe it’s real but ‘not that bad.’

Which is kinda sad, as there are many numbers of regulations that are in place to prevent fewer deaths. And virtually all of the COVID deaths were preventable. For sure, future deaths are preventable.

How in the world did we get to this point?

 

[Handyman]

I think there is a significant group of people who claim they believe it’s real but ‘not that bad.’

Yes and they crossover big time with people who are concerned college football wont return...

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Yes and they crossover big time with people who are concerned college football wont return...

What is sad is how we never, ever learn anything in this country (well, a significant portion don't learn). Had we taken the proper steps starting in early March when it was clear what the potential was for the coronavirus, not only would tens of thousands of people who died still be alive, we would likely be preparing for an autumn of school and sports that at least resembled something normal. Had we had a truly functional and fair healthcare system in this country (which includes universal access, the capacity to test and trace when faced with a pandemic and profits taking a backseat at least some of the time) AND a populace that was all prepared to make sacrifices for the common good, we would probably be in a position to open many schools, we would have a good idea where that would have been problematic and been preparing for a far more robust and effective distance learning protocol, and we would likely be able to enjoy a full slate of college and pro fall sports -- at least on TV if not in person.

Not all would have been perfect. Even in countries where all of the above exists the virus was kicking serious rear ends for a few weeks or a couple months. But 85% of the world has done better than us, and in some cases far better. Nowhere has done worse.

I swear to God, the next person that says to me America is the greatest country on Earth is gonna get punched right in the throat. We still have some appeal, but if this were a college football poll we would not even deserve to be in the "receiving votes" category.

 

[Jeb2020]

Which is kinda sad, as there are many numbers of regulations that are in place to prevent fewer deaths. And virtually all of the COVID deaths were preventable. For sure, future deaths are preventable.

How in the world did we get to this point?

All Covid deaths were preventable? What planet are you living on?

year over year LTCF experience around 25% of their population passing away. These are elderly folks and often times ill. That is why they are there to live out their remaining time with proper care and support. And again that is in “Normal Times.”

Around 50% of Deaths attributed to Covid have happened in LTCF.

If anything contributed to deaths in LTCF it was policy by officials. Not because Bob and Mike went to a bar.

out of touch takes like yours are what drive bad, inefficient and often times disastrous policy decisions.

 

[jerphisch]

How does one block someone in this lovely new version, it's beyond my ability level and I can't take it anymore.

 

[Jeb2020]

I swear to God, the next person that says to me America is the greatest country on Earth is gonna get punched right in the throat. We still have some appeal, but if this were a college football poll we would not even deserve to be in the "receiving votes" category.

#TeamHysteria

Yet people from all over the world leave everything they have to come start a life here.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/drive-thru-citizenship/#x

 

[Scarlet]

OK, so if 50% of the deaths came from LTCF when it's usually only 25%, that's double. In just 3-ish months. Are you saying that there should be no alarm raised for that?

And Bob and Mike going to a bar probably had something to do with the other 50% of all deaths. Not all, but enough that if Bob and Mike did what they were supposed and didn't go to a bar, stayed home as much as possible and wore a mask when they had to go out, I would venture a guess that total number of the non LTCF deaths would probably be significantly fewer.

 

[Jeb2020]

OK, so if 50% of the deaths came from LTCF when it's usually only 25%, that's double. In just 3-ish months. Are you saying that there should be no alarm raised for that?

And Bob and Mike going to a bar probably had something to do with the other 50% of all deaths. Not all, but enough that if Bob and Mike did what they were supposed and didn't go to a bar, stayed home as much as possible and wore a mask when they had to go out, I would venture a guess that total number of the non LTCF deaths would probably be significantly fewer.

50% of our countries Covid deaths are from LTCF.

Not that there was a jump from 25% to 50% in LTCF. but to be certain I am sure that some of the ones hit hard definitely saw a big jump no doubt.

In MN it looks like the LTCF numbers are in a similar boat to previous years.

Most of the deaths had taken place in March and April. And about a quarter in New York and New Jersey. People going about their daily routines was not the cause of this.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Pavlov is in full mode today. Look out everyone.

 

[Scarlet]

You just contradicted yourself. Here is what you posted:

year over year LTCF experience around 25% of their population passing away. These are elderly folks and often times ill. That is why they are there to live out their remaining time with proper care and support. And again that is in “Normal Times.”

Around 50% of Deaths attributed to Covid have happened in LTCF.

Now you're saying "not that there was a jump from 25% to 50% in LTCF".

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Pavlov is in full mode today. Look out everyone.

Not sure why this guy named himself after a pathetic loser, but it sure does fit! ;-)

 

[Jeb2020]

You just contradicted yourself. Here is what you posted:



Now you're saying "not that there was a jump from 25% to 50% in LTCF".

No.

on a normal year LTCF experience 25% roughly of their population passing away.

so hypothetically a facility has 1000 people in it. About 250 pass each year.

50% Approximately of our nations 140K Covid related deaths have been in LTCF.

That isn’t saying the LTCF have experienced a jump from 25% to 50%.

The original post goes back to a poster saying that almost all of the deaths have been preventable. And that just isn’t true at all.

 

[alfablue]

What is sad is how we never, ever learn anything in this country (well, a significant portion don't learn). Had we taken the proper steps starting in early March when it was clear what the potential was for the coronavirus, not only would tens of thousands of people who died still be alive, we would likely be preparing for an autumn of school and sports that at least resembled something normal. Had we had a truly functional and fair healthcare system in this country (which includes universal access, the capacity to test and trace when faced with a pandemic and profits taking a backseat at least some of the time) AND a populace that was all prepared to make sacrifices for the common good, we would probably be in a position to open many schools, we would have a good idea where that would have been problematic and been preparing for a far more robust and effective distance learning protocol, and we would likely be able to enjoy a full slate of college and pro fall sports -- at least on TV if not in person.

Not all would have been perfect. Even in countries where all of the above exists the virus was kicking serious rear ends for a few weeks or a couple months. But 85% of the world has done better than us, and in some cases far better. Nowhere has done worse.

I swear to God, the next person that says to me America is the greatest country on Earth is gonna get punched right in the throat. We still have some appeal, but if this were a college football poll we would not even deserve to be in the "receiving votes" category.

100% agree. Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

And right now, we would be as open as we are now, but probably the sports would be slightly farther ahead, since the major decline would have happened in April and just peddling along. College sports would likely happen- maybe w/o fans, but it would be far more likely that it would happen, as students would be more likely in school.

That's the thing that is the very, very worst- a little harder shut down for a slightly longer time, and our economy and future would look quite bright. Instead, we have a single state that exceeded all of S. Korea's infections in one single day.

 

[Jeb2020]

100% agree. Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

And right now, we would be as open as we are now, but probably the sports would be slightly farther ahead, since the major decline would have happened in April and just peddling along. College sports would likely happen- maybe w/o fans, but it would be far more likely that it would happen, as students would be more likely in school.

That's the thing that is the very, very worst- a little harder shut down for a slightly longer time, and our economy and future would look quite bright. Instead, we have a single state that exceeded all of S. Korea's infections in one single day.

The virus doesn’t go away when you shut down.

If we would have shutdown hypothetically from March to day July what exactly do you think would happen when you open back up?

 

[aparch]

Vegas casinos may go non-smoking because of COVID.

Illinois went smoke-free almost a decade ago. Michigan followed a few years later. Best move ever made.

Everyone business owner whined that it would kill their businesses. Put up such a fight. And it actually caused patrons to eat out MORE. Turns out, people actually enjoyed being able to breathe while eating. And even better, you could actually taste your food too!

Some bars created smoking patios, so they get the best of both worlds.


I cannot wait to go to Vegas once they do go smoke-free. Scratch that. I cannot wait to go to Vegas once Coronavirus has subsided AND they go smoke-free.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Crazy how some people don’t understand that testing tracing and quarantining protocols should have been what the shutdowns brought us.

amd we didn’t get our act together

 

[alfablue]

BTW, the going back to the pneumonia thing- as I've posted about it in the past- we normally average 50k/year of just pneumonia deaths.

As of today's reporting- there have been ~130k pneumonia deaths in this COIVID phase starting 2/1. Of those, only 52k of them were certainty pneumonia + covid. Which means that in 5 months, there have been ~80k pneumonia deaths. In terms of annual rates- that's 192k pneumonia deaths. Just about 4x the normal rate of pneumonia deaths.

And the only thing that has changed this year was the addition of COVID.

Be it lack of service due to occupied resources, or wrongly assigned deaths, or whatever, it's pretty easy to see the impact of COVID19 on pneumonia deaths.

Those extra 33k pneumonia deaths that can be related to COVID being in our domain should not be forgotten.

Given the history of taking care of people- I have no problem saying that those 33k extra pneumonia deaths would be largely preventable. As are the future ones.

 

[alfablue]

Crazy how some people don’t understand that testing tracing and quarantining protocols should have been what the shutdowns brought us.

amd we didn’t get our act together

Our fearless idiot in the white house could never follow a good idea from another country. That would be pure evil Especially if there's a slight tint to their skins.

All we had to do was copy S Korea. Or ANY ONE of the EU countries that shut down hard. But we listen to people bitching, even when they are in the minority (I recall that Whitmer's acceptance of keeping it going was in the high 60% range when the protests were going on.)

 

[rufus]

You just contradicted yourself. Here is what you posted:



Now you're saying "not that there was a jump from 25% to 50% in LTCF".

Shhhhhh, he's a stats guy.

Not to mention that possibly that initial infection of that long term care facility came when Mike went to visit his Grammy after a weekend of bar-hopping with Bob.