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UNH Men's Hockey 2022 Off Season Thread- Goodbye Lake Whitt!

No idea about other changes, but with Souza either a lame duck or at least on the hot seat, I imagine his needs -- ready players for next year, i.e. transfers/grads -- may have changed, and the recruits' perspective may also change.

For a coach finally under pressure, I could see 3 or so cuts in addition to Herrmann

When you're a ninth place team, better teams poach your better players, and you wait for better team's hand-me-downs hoping they pan out for you.

edit: ninth on a good year (see my signature). More like 10/11. Funny that while Souza spoke of "parity" when discussing recruiting challenges, I always assumes that meant some good years, too.

At this point, you just have to treat it like the final years of Umile -- be numb to players bolting because there's not really a clear path upward, and recognize that someone else is going to have a long rebuild in a couple of years so one or two more crumbs in the pantry will not materially change the job.
 
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NCAA watcher said:
No idea about other changes, but with Souza either a lame duck or at least on the hot seat, I imagine his needs -- ready players for next year, i.e. transfers/grads -- may have changed, and the recruits' perspective may also change.

For a coach finally under pressure, I could see 3 or so cuts in addition to Herrmann

When you're a ninth place team, better teams poach your better players, and you wait for better team's hand-me-downs hoping they pan out for you.

edit: ninth on a good year (see my signature). More like 10/11. Funny that while Souza spoke of "parity" when discussing recruiting challenges, I always assumes that meant some good years, too.

At this point, you just have to treat it like the final years of Umile -- be numb to players bolting because there's not really a clear path upward, and recognize that someone else is going to have a long rebuild in a couple of years so one or two more crumbs in the pantry will not materially change the job.
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The plan for a 200x90 rink doesn’t have the best recruits queueing up to play for UNH? Someone should let the people in charge know.

I truly feel bad for where you guys are at. Maine had the same leadership issues for a long time and it led to disastrous results. It seems like in the last six or seven years things have improved and Maine is now heading in the right direction.
 
NCAA watcher said:
Version 2. I imagine there will be several other changes

So.Will Margel (18-1-3-4)--------Sr.Harrison Blaisdell-(25-2-6-8)------So.Robert Cronin (30-7-5-12)
So.Liam Devlin-(34-9-7-16)-----Fr.Stiven Sardarian--(NA)-------------Fr.Kristap Skrastins (NA)
Fr.Cy Leclerc-(NA)----------------Sr.Chase Stevenson-(33-4-1-5)------Jr.Nick Cafarelli (15-3-4-7)
Fr.Jake Dunlap-(NA)--------------Fr.Morgan Winters-(NA)---------------So.Conor Lovett
Jr.Carsen Richels-(13-0-0-0)-----Jr.Cam Gendron-(19-1-1-2)-----------Fr._____/transfer
So.Connor Sweeney-(22-0-0-0)--Sr.Joe Hankinson (1-0-0-0)


Sr.Kalle Eriksson-(32-0-12-12)----So.Colton Huard (28-6-10-16)
So.Alex Gagne-(33-1-7-8)---------Jr.Luke Reid 34-3-5-8)
Fr.Nick Ardanaz-(NA)---------------Fr.Damien Carfagna (NA)
Jr.Nikolai Jenson-(30-1-5-6)-------Fr.Cade Penney (NA)

Fr.Tyler Muszelik----------Sr.David Fessenden------------Jr.Jeremy Forman
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Watcher,

Mike Lowry has JP Turner coming in this year, yet you don't have him listed. What's up with him?

I love seeing your predictions/updates. Keep up the great work!
 
NCAA watcher said:
At this point, you just have to treat it like the final years of Umile -- be numb to players bolting because there's not really a clear path upward, and recognize that someone else is going to have a long rebuild in a couple of years so one or two more crumbs in the pantry will not materially change the job.
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No truer words have ever been spoken. Seven years of a failed experiment will do that to a program.
 
HockeyRef said:
Well, if I'm going to rationalize this the long and short of it is that players de-commit for all teams, and for all kinds of reasons, not just us...right? I don't keep tabs on other teams so I guess it's just one of those things. (mmmm ok) Players change their minds, their advisors give them input, who knows. We'll never know the reason so why bother trying to figure it out. Just lamenting as I believe this player could have been an impact player for us.
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As 'Watcher said ... the better teams poach your better players, and you get left with their sloppy seconds. Well, I think 'Watcher meant as much, he just put it a little differently ...

HockeyRef said:
On another note, so enjoyed the hockey last night, esp the first game. Hope the HE Championship is just as good. I don't have a dog in this fight but if UConn won I'd give a tip of the cap to those players; they worked their tails off all game long.
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Winning begets winning ... kudos to Coach Carvel, who is now the undisputed King of Hockey East. Maybe he drew an inside straight with Cale Makar, but the major winning he's been doing these last two seasons has been without Makar, and this year he'd done it without recruiting whiz Ben Barr. It will be interesting to see if (or how long) Carvel can maintain things at this level as Barr's impact on his program fades in the coming seasons. But he's earned the benefit of the doubt, and I was very much one of those doubters.

Speaking of those I've doubted, well, with Luce, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ... at least he can finally mount one of those TD Garden all-access passes with the UConn logo on it onto the mantle in his mancave. One winning season out of 8 in HEA only puts him a step ahead of his underachieving protege MS7 at UNH, and a country mile behind Carvel in his 6 years at UMass Amherst. We'll look back someday and realize this was Luce's big chance, and he couldn't close the deal. A poor man's Toot Cahoon, with a (small) fraction of the class. There is a God after all ... ;-)
 
Since as UNH fans, we're now officially in the NCAA offseason, and the NHL trade deadline is looming tomorrow, it's not a bad time to revisit the current situation with old pal James van Riemsdyk, who'll be turning 33 in just over a month. On the good side, he's been injury free this season, and is the 3rd leading goal scorer with an abysmal Flyers team that's circling the drain, and is likely on the precipice of a major rebuild in the coming seasons. JvR is wrapping up Year 4 of a 5 year deal with Philly, and his -27 plus/minus is only "exceeded" by fellow has-been Keith Yandle, at a truly stunning -35.

This hasn't happened overnight for JvR. The two links that follow are from the same Flyers' website a year or so apart, in which his contract was deemed the club's worst (prior to 2020/2021 season), and more recently describes JvR has possibly being a target for cellar-dwellers to meet next year's salary "floor", and if not, being a prime candidate for a Flyers' buyout:

Philadelphia Flyers' 3 Worst Contracts for 2020-21 (thehockeywriters.com)

Which Flyers Players Should Be Moved Before the 2022 Trade Deadline (thehockeywriters.com)

If not for that contract, I could see JvR as an interesting possibility for a contending team that's either looking for a power play specialist on their second unit, with possible 3rd or 4th line depth otherwise. I guess I wouldn't be shocked if JvR was headed back to Toronto as a depth guy for the PP etc. given his best NHL days were there (before they started winning at least in the regular season anyway). Hard to believe he's going to be 33 - time flies, eh? Thoughts??
 
Maybe UNH should have brought him in last year when he was suppose to come. I know his stock has dropped a bit but would he done any worst than what they had?
 
NCAA watcher said:
Version 2. I imagine there will be several other changes

So.Will Margel (18-1-3-4)--------Sr.Harrison Blaisdell-(25-2-6-8)------So.Robert Cronin (30-7-5-12)
So.Liam Devlin-(34-9-7-16)-----Fr.Stiven Sardarian--(NA)-------------Fr.Kristap Skrastins (NA)
Fr.Cy Leclerc-(NA)----------------Sr.Chase Stevenson-(33-4-1-5)------Jr.Nick Cafarelli (15-3-4-7)
Fr.Jake Dunlap-(NA)--------------Fr.Morgan Winters-(NA)---------------So.Conor Lovett
Jr.Carsen Richels-(13-0-0-0)-----Jr.Cam Gendron-(19-1-1-2)-----------Fr._____/transfer
So.Connor Sweeney-(22-0-0-0)--Sr.Joe Hankinson (1-0-0-0)


Sr.Kalle Eriksson-(32-0-12-12)----So.Colton Huard (28-6-10-16)
So.Alex Gagne-(33-1-7-8)---------Jr.Luke Reid 34-3-5-8)
Fr.Nick Ardanaz-(NA)---------------Fr.Damien Carfagna (NA)
Jr.Nikolai Jenson-(30-1-5-6)-------Fr.Cade Penney (NA)

Fr.Tyler Muszelik----------Sr.David Fessenden------------Jr.Jeremy Forman
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I’d asked earlier about you having Margel on 1st and Devlin on 2nd. What is your thinking there, given Devlin’s performance this year arguably making him the best returning forward? I don’t have an opinion one way or another on this one.
 
wildcatdc said:
I’d asked earlier about you having Margel on 1st and Devlin on 2nd. What is your thinking there, given Devlin’s performance this year arguably making him the best returning forward? I don’t have an opinion one way or another on this one.
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I could easily flip them, and they may (I think Devlin even played RW some last year). I have a belief that Devlin's offense this year is a bit more than one can expect, based on his USHL play (36 points in two years) and even at St.Sebs, where he was not really a first line player. Of course, you could point out that Margel couldn't stick in the USHL, but his NAHL totals suggest more offensive prowess than Devlin. I would have said the same last offseason about Cafarelli, and look how that played out. Leclerc has also produced well so can compete for a spot. Basically, its a bunch of equal unknowns on the top 9 spots. Not the fully-formed lineup I'd want to have my career riding on if I were Coach.

I'd also note on the lines that Saradarian is not really a center in the USHL and isn't the physical guy UNH likes down the middle, so he's unlikely to be a second line center. Pierson is not in the portal and has not signed, so perhaps he is returning.
 
NCAA watcher said:
I could easily flip them, and they may (I think Devlin even played RW some last year). I have a belief that Devlin's offense this year is a bit more than one can expect, based on his USHL play (36 points in two years) and even at St.Sebs, where he was not really a first line player. Of course, you could point out that Margel couldn't stick in the USHL, but his NAHL totals suggest more offensive prowess than Devlin. I would have said the same last offseason about Cafarelli, and look how that played out. Leclerc has also produced well so can compete for a spot. Basically, its a bunch of equal unknowns on the top 9 spots. Not the fully-formed lineup I'd want to have my career riding on if I were Coach.

I'd also note on the lines that Saradarian is not really a center in the USHL and isn't the physical guy UNH likes down the middle, so he's unlikely to be a second line center. Pierson is not in the portal and has not signed, so perhaps he is returning.
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Things that make you go hmmmm....Norbert has thought this all along...and I too have wondered since he (Pierson) hasn't left as of yet? Would love to see him return...As per Devlin, he had a great season and I dubbed him the new "Kevin Goumas" but of course as you point out, he's not a center.
 
NCAA watcher said:
I could easily flip them, and they may (I think Devlin even played RW some last year). I have a belief that Devlin's offense this year is a bit more than one can expect, based on his USHL play (36 points in two years) and even at St.Sebs, where he was not really a first line player. Of course, you could point out that Margel couldn't stick in the USHL, but his NAHL totals suggest more offensive prowess than Devlin. I would have said the same last offseason about Cafarelli, and look how that played out. Leclerc has also produced well so can compete for a spot. Basically, its a bunch of equal unknowns on the top 9 spots. Not the fully-formed lineup I'd want to have my career riding on if I were Coach.

I'd also note on the lines that Saradarian is not really a center in the USHL and isn't the physical guy UNH likes down the middle, so he's unlikely to be a second line center. Pierson is not in the portal and has not signed, so perhaps he is returning.
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Thanks, Watcher.
 
wildcatdc said:
https://www.unionleader.com/sports/c...4f2192c0a.html

Interesting read.
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Thanks for sharing, 'dc. Gotta say, Coach Herrion seems to be a pragmatic realist on the life of an NCAA coach in the portal era. His initial quotes after the Binghamton loss seemed on the whiny side, but it looks like he's gotten past it, and is ready to go back into battle to restock his roster.

You gotta think the diminished focus on HS recruiting at many schools is an unintended consequence.
 
Ummm...Looking at CHC's blog posts Ardanaz Evans and Turner have signed NLI's...please correct me if I'm wrong but thought when this happened players are "in" ?
 
Robert Balin said:
Maybe UNH should have brought him in last year when he was suppose to come. I know his stock has dropped a bit but would he done any worst than what they had?
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I expected they might - a coach operating under a sense of urgency would want to get young talent into the program and spark optimism (if not immediate production). UNH went a different direction and here we are...

I'm not sure the staff (or existing admin) thinks theyre on any sort of hot seat. Which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the more talented (yet not especially productive) recruits on Watcher's projected lines deferred. UNH hasn't learned yet, why would they learn now...?
 
HockeyRef said:
Ummm...Looking at CHC's blog posts Ardanaz Evans and Turner have signed NLI's...please correct me if I'm wrong but thought when this happened players are "in" ?
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UNH lost Mike Vecchione by deferring him an extra year in the USHL. When he went on to flourish at Union, the coaching staff began employing the tactic of signing prospects and THEN deferring them. Under old NLI rules, that would essentially lock a player into Durham - the NLI was enforceable the next season, should UNH choose to offer the previously agreed upon scholarship amount.

I'm not sure what UNH would gain by fighting a player's attempt to break an NLI - but its moot now anyway, without a transfer penalty on the books. UNH could threaten to hold Evans to his NLI, but he would simply 'transfer' to his preferred destination with no penalty of sitting.

I argued UNH should go all in on youth last year and play for the future - An inexperienced roster could hardly do worse I posited. UNH seemed to think going older would make them more competitive than a ninth place finisher.

Whether any of this eventually facilitates a change in strategy (or staff) remains to be seen, but I expect Ill believe (any of) it when I see it...
 
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