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116th Congress: F-cker WAS Impeached. Still not enough.

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I'm surprised they didn't give us 20 billion shares in Enron stock and memberships to Columbia Music, where you could get 15 cassette tapes for a penny.
 
So glad the Republicans could strain themselves to give me a check that won't cover half my rent...
 
First Time said:
So glad the Republicans could strain themselves to give me a check that won't cover half my rent...
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I've heard of servers saying various customers giving them a ridiculously low tip (like 25 cents) instead of not tipping at all. My stepfather boasts of doing this often. It's meant to send a message to the server of how little the customer thinks of them.

This $600 is a message.
 
MissThundercat said:
You: Good evening sir, my name is Steve. I used to be addicted to crack, but now I'm off and am trying to stay clean.
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What am I going to do with 40 subscriptions to Vibe?
 
MissThundercat said:
I've heard of servers saying various customers giving them a ridiculously low tip (like 25 cents) instead of not tipping at all. My stepfather boasts of doing this often. It's meant to send a message to the server of how little the customer thinks of them.

This $600 is a message.
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$600 won’t even cover Trump’s taxes.

Yes, taken from elsewhere.
 
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For my family, we absolutely need the $1,200, or whatever it might be. I won’t admit to knowing all the particulars, but this one sounds more means-tested for the full amount than the CARES Act wash and obviously half or more of the amount.
That said, the Democratic leadership played their hand, and lost. Trump and his WH offered $1.8 billion in early October, when Pelosi/Schumer were hoping, like most of us on here, that the polls were right about the election, and potentially even the margin of error in our favor (Dem landslide). That would have produced far more power and leverage for Democratic leadership than they had then, and obviously more than they have now.
We were wrong. They were too. The poll aggregate sites missed, but only within the margin of error, which is perfectly acceptable, meaning the aggregate poll sites were right. Biden won the battle, but the GOP won the war. Gaining in the US House, potentially holding the Senate, and maintaining or gaining in key state houses, like turning ‘blue’ New Hampshire into a GOP trifecta at the state level, are certainly not overall wins for Democrats.
THAT said, I hope we somehow manage to pull off a couple wins in the Ga Senate Seats to at least have a nominal trifecta in Washington. Nominal trifecta > Mitch McConnell.

tl;dr Dems lost leverage, sucks it happened.
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The second stimulus package started getting discussed when, within about a week of the rollout of the first package? The $600 figure was already getting kicked around last summer.

I came onto this Board and said the smart play would be to take the money. Unlike a union contract where reaching an agreement means you can't come back and renegotiate for a couple of years, or reaching a settlement in your insurance claim, taking the second package when offered in no way restricted anyone from coming back the next day and demanding a third round.

But, of course, my suggestion was met with universal derision here. So what happened? The D's let everyone sit on a food line for four months, then took the same deal, and now the third stimulus package likely doesn't hit until sometime in the middle of 2021.

But I'm sure our own Dean of Negotiations will be along shortly to explain the brilliance of that move.
 
SJHovey said:
The second stimulus package started getting discussed when, within about a week of the rollout of the first package? The $600 figure was already getting kicked around last summer.

I came onto this Board and said the smart play would be to take the money. Unlike a union contract where reaching an agreement means you can't come back and renegotiate for a couple of years, or reaching a settlement in your insurance claim, taking the second package when offered in no way restricted anyone from coming back the next day and demanding a third round.

But, of course, my suggestion was met with universal derision here. So what happened? The D's let everyone sit on a food line for four months, then took the same deal, and now the third stimulus package likely doesn't hit until sometime in the middle of 2021.

But I'm sure our own Dean of Negotiations will be along shortly to explain the brilliance of that move.
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The Dems needed to take the deal cause you can't negotiate with terrorists and that's what the GOP is right now. When you're willing to watch everyone suffer, die from Covid, and lock children in cages you are willing to do NOTHING. And as long as you're willing to walk away you always will get the best deal.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
The Dems needed to take the deal cause you can't negotiate with terrorists and that's what the GOP is right now. When you're willing to watch everyone suffer, die from Covid, and lock children in cages you are willing to do NOTHING. And as long as you're willing to walk away you always will get the best deal.
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No, the problem is that people treated this like they were negotiating a one time deal.

One group says money should be used for stimulus. One group says no. If the group that says no then says, ok we'll give you a $1, and taking the $1 doesn't keep you from demanding more, take the $1. You're an idiot not to, unless you think there is some political benefit to be gained by it. Then, the next day demand that they give you another $1.
 
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No, the problem is that people treated this like they were negotiating a one time deal.

One group says money should be used for stimulus. One group says no. If the group that says no then says, ok we'll give you a $1, and taking the $1 doesn't keep you from demanding more, take the $1. You're an idiot not to, unless you think there is some political benefit to be gained by it. Then, the next day demand that they give you another $1.
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Yeah, I can see that. But you still never get to where you want to go. Take the 2008 crash. We never put the money into that that was necessary and it helped to destroy Obama's Presidency. And Obama was always willing to compromise.

That's why the Democrats keep trying to go for more because they keep getting screwed. The last time the GOP destroyed things it took over 8 years to recover. How fucking long do you think it will take now?
 
SJHovey said:
The second stimulus package started getting discussed when, within about a week of the rollout of the first package? The $600 figure was already getting kicked around last summer.

I came onto this Board and said the smart play would be to take the money. Unlike a union contract where reaching an agreement means you can't come back and renegotiate for a couple of years, or reaching a settlement in your insurance claim, taking the second package when offered in no way restricted anyone from coming back the next day and demanding a third round.

But, of course, my suggestion was met with universal derision here. So what happened? The D's let everyone sit on a food line for four months, then took the same deal, and now the third stimulus package likely doesn't hit until sometime in the middle of 2021.

But I'm sure our own Dean of Negotiations will be along shortly to explain the brilliance of that move.
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Is this your attempt to be witty? Go back to telling us how PPP wasnt a complete cluster[bleep] your Rover impression is much better than your bad attempts at snark.

I had zero issue with them holding out or taking the crap deal but they needed to stick to their guns. I was on record when the bipartisan deal leaked a few weeks ago that if they took it they look like weak willed fools. If you hold out you better get something worth fighting for or you lost. We see it all the time when athletes hold out and get burned on the contract. You were even part of the discussion. Though to be fair that deal was worse than this one. (that had no stimulus checks)

Of course you are being completely naive to pretend that further deals would have come after the ones floated this summer or in October. First of all it wasn't going to pass anyways because McConnell was completely against anything even Trump sponsored bills. By the summer the GOP was pretty much trying to wipe their hands of all of this and you know it. They were in full on "open everything up the virus is over" mode. I dont remember the particulars of what was floated back then but I know almost no one was happy. By the time October hit and Trump reversed course for about the 10th time on it there was no going back. If you are going to assume this is your one shot you don't take the table scraps being offered just to get you to leave the table.

Both sides gambled and lost big. The Dems assumed they would take the Senate if people saw the GOP was basically negotiating in bad faith. (which they didn't...yet) The GOP assumed that since summer saw the numbers die down that the worst was over and they could say anything and do anything and not get punished for it. Trump lost because of it and the Senate is still in jeopardy.

The real issue we should all have is why are we doing it this way in the first place? It would have been cheaper and easier to just pay everyone to stay home. No crappy PPP, no random stimulus checks, no infighting. But one party couldn't do that because they would then have to admit they had been lying for months about the severity of the disease and the other would have to take the gun out of their hand long enough to avoid shooting themselves in the foot. We are so bass ackwards we do everything the least efficient and helpful way you can.
 
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