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POTUS 45.65: I'm Just Here For The Lincoln Project Ads

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That isnt how things work...SCOTUS only has the power the Constitution allows for. Unless someone brings suit on a Constitutional ground of some sort they really dont even have a voice in that regard. To make a ruling there needs to be an issue brought in front of the court and Electors being challenged are dealt with in Congress. I mean I guess the State of Florida could sue to have the GOP Electors counted (or the people to block said move) but if the popular vote in state is against them I dont see Roberts and Co. blowing up the entire Federal System over it.

And make no mistake that is what would happen. If the Supreme Court ruled that the Leg had the right to overturn the will of the voters (after the fact) then the whole thing implodes on itself. It is one thing to undermine or de-legitimize the vote...but without evidence of rigging to just outright ignore the total count of votes and allow for this would be chaos. That was one of the Nightmare Scenarios that went around a month or so ago.

Such a challenge is the last thing the Plutes want...they need this to end as quietly as possible with Trump going away and Biden being his normal Centrist self. Sure they will have higher taxes...it isnt like they pay them anyways. They want to go back to normal because a protracted battle (especially one that could lead to a massive Constitutional Crisis) is bad for business. They need stability and calm. Sure Trump being in office is never bad for them because they clean up all over the place but any sort of overreach to get him there will likely lead to the very things they want to avoid.
 
Handyman said:
That isnt how things work...SCOTUS only has the power the Constitution allows for.
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And they interpret the Constitution. Which means it allows for whatever they say it does.

They are the Ground. There is nobody* in our system of government to tell SCOTUS "u r doin it wrong." If they say white is black then it is.

Why can't people grasp this simple fact? All law ultimately plugs into an agent of final legal force. In a monarchy it's the king (well, usually. Talk to the Renaissance Poles if you want to get confused). In the US, it's the Court. They define truth.

* Except the army. But that's in every system of government.
 
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Kepler said:
And they interpret the Constitution. Which means it allows for whatever they say it does.

They are the Ground. There is nobody* in our system of government to tell SCOTUS "u r doin it wrong." If they say white is black then it is.

Why can't people grasp this simple fact? All law ultimately plugs into an agent of final legal force. In a monarchy it's the king (well, usually. Talk to the Renaissance Poles if you want to get confused). In the US, it's the Court. They define truth.

* Except the army. But that's in every system of government.
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Yep. This. If they decide it they decide it. And now they have 6 Orcs on a 9 man squad.
 
Kepler said:
Who is to stop them?

If SCOTUS says they can do something, they can do it. They don't need a reason. Everything we learned about law posits that the people in charge are acting sincerely. Now we have a highest Court that is a bag man. It will do what it wants to do.
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There is a reason why justices who were believed to be very conservative turned out to be more liberal than thought, and vice versa. The reason -- there is nothing we can do about it.

I know that for the last four years it has been an extremely popular pasttime to fantasize about all of the crazy takeover schemes that could happen, but never will. But just ask this question. Why would the Supreme Court ever do what you propose?

Take Florida for example. They have a state statute that says that votes for a candidate are considered votes for the electors from that party. Very simple. I can't imagine the contortions the Supreme Court would have to go through to say that is no longer the law.

What is to gain for them? They serve for life. They have reached the highest pinnacle of their profession. Throw that all away to appease Donald Trump? Please.

There is a show on Showtime that has run since 2016 called The Circus. It's a little half hour political show that started during the Trump/Clinton campaign, and has revived for this year's election. The show itself has lost a little steam, but a couple of weeks ago they had this lawyer on who worked for Clinton and worked for Obama and was basically the Democrat's go-to lawyer for election shenanigans. He is leading the Democrat's efforts again during this election.

One of the hosts wanted to engage the guy in a bunch of "what ifs" Trump does this or Trump does that or a state does this or a state does that. The guy's response was basically, "won't happen." The host persisted but the lawyer was basically like, look, a lot of people want to hypothesize about Trump coming in and stealing this state or stealing the election, and it just doesn't work that way. Trump would love to be able to do that, it just can't be done.

What has happened here is this. The things that people here and on social media are freaking out about are the things that are probably rumbling through Trump's tiny mind right now, but about which he has no chance to accomplish and wouldn't know how even if there was a chance. That is, you guys are all starting to think like him, but in reverse. I don't think that's such a good thing if we assume he's crazy.
 
These aren't normal justices.

SCOTUS justices used to be fine judges with lots of experience and knowledge in law and/or public policy. That's not what we have on the Court, now. We have politicians. Not especially good ones, even. They are playing out a tired, bankrupt political (not judicial) ideology with no consideration whatsoever of the merits, let alone the legal principles. This is a Court of Tom Cottons and Lindsay Grahams.

Gatekeeping is a double-edged sword. It selects for elitism: at its worst, class, at its best, merit. The Court no longer has a functioning gatekeeping device. It is the equivalent of a bunch of as-sholes off the street. Yes, these as-sholes maybe passed the bar, but a lot of people do. These are cranks. They are there to do a job. They may believe in it, like Scalia did, or they may be purely cynical, like Rehnquist was. But that doesn't even matter: what matters is they will not have the intellectual flexibility or the curiosity or the best interests of the common wealth in mind. They're bag men.

Doubtless there have been a handful of these jackwagons before, but it's never been a huge number and its never been stacked on one side of the Court. It's what happens when one major political party no longer has any interest in governance beyond the exploitation of their constituents for personal gain. That's all the Republican party has been for thirty years, and all its SCOTUS nominees are now.

I know you don't see it, but we do, and it's incredibly demoralizing.
 
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Well, Trump's not supposed to be able to bribe foreign leaders into investigating his political opponents, and yet somehow..........

trump's not supposed to be able to hold campaign events at the White House, and yet, somehow he did..................

This is just more of what you were telling us four years ago could never happen, because, you know, that's not how it works. And yet, here we are.
 
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Yep. This. If they decide it they decide it. And now they have 6 Orcs on a 9 man squad.
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4 Orcs. Roberts and Gorsuch are both legitimate judges -- their judicial philosophy is puerile but it is a judicial philosophy. They're not just there to be political hacks. And hey, maybe they'll save nine. But I wouldn't bet the future of democracy on it, and them's the stakes.
 
If you and Scooby are agreeing on something that is the point you take a step back and question ;-)

Again it does the Plutes no good to rig it for Trump. They risk way more than if they just do what they are supposed to do and continue to get everything they want and need. Trump is not important to their plans anymore he served his purpose. (they control the Court) They arent going to risk everything for him there are plenty of useful idiots out there.

Look I am not some duckies and bunnies guy...I am hardly an optimist and I dont see any way any of the crap happens. A lot of other crap is gonna happen but not that. I would honestly bet on it and I rarely bet on anything outside of a casino. They dont want any of this because they dont want the sunshine showing off all their Reindeer Games. Even if they agree with Trump and his ilk 100% the risk isnt worth the reward when you can get all of the same rewards without any of the backlash just by doing nothing.
 
"Oh but it's sad when a love affair dies."

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ScoobyDoo said:
I've never heard a President cry so much in my life. What a ****ing crybaby.
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But I heard he was a strong man that other leaders respected. You never respect the woman in the sitcom or RomCom who is crying all the time...you pity them and then slowly back away.
 
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Hey, he's a strong leader. A manly man. The Alpha.

Not like that pus$y Obama.
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The saddest thing about this post is it is actually what 95% of trump's supporters believe. Therein lies the danger and the damage a clear minority of Americans can bring to our country.
 
Trump has declared victory. As expected. This will go to the Supreme Court when Biden eeks it out. Our only hope is that Trump's Court actually believes in the rule of law. If they don't the country is finished.
 
It still angers me to no end his comments. I was falling asleep when he spoke and he woke me up. Calling this a fraud in your public address, completely de-ligitimizing millions of outstanding votes is completely pathetic. You want to declare victory fine that doesn't really do anything. But when you flat out call an election a fraud because the outcome isn't decided yet and you happen to be ahead at the moment is friggin disgusting. Anone who has paid attention to politics throughout history knows how dangerous a charge that is and what tends to happen next.

And the fact that half the country agrees with him makes me think we might be trying to save something (America) that itself doesn't want to be saved.
 
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