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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Scarlet said:
As I mentioned above, I was exposed on Thursday night - hugged a cousin who found out she was positive on Saturday night. I've taken a home test Sunday, Monday and today. All negative. I think I should be in the clear, don't you think? Or should I test a couple more days? Or get tested with a PCR test? I have no symptoms.
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If that were me, I would not be thinking about it anymore…. But I also understand everyone has varying risk tolerances so you should go with what your comfort level tells you.
 
Scarlet said:
More than 3,300 cases reported yesterday in MA and a positivity rate over 5%. SO glad mask mandates have gone away. /sarcasm
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yup
Michigan new cases were trending down but are once again on the rise
week of 3/21 5,000
3/28 4,200
4/4 8,393
4/11 13,500
This week 14,000

But everyone keeps saying all the precautions we used to take weren't effective
 
There is a bump is respiratory illness every spring after the plummet from winter. Then it will stay low all summer and increase in the fall.

Look it up, Like clockwork you clowns.
 
It's amusing to see the denial on the cruise board. Some think that the pandemic is still going on just because we are testing. They are denying that people are still going to hospitals and are still dying.

Maybe they are desperate to cruise w/o a vaccine. But the cruise lines have made it VERY clear that 1) they can't take care of people who really get sick with COVID, and 2) requiring vaccines and tests reduces their exposure to problems. So far, out of ALL of the people who have gone on cruises, a handful of people have needed hospitalizations, and the (sorry that it happened) people who unfortunately passed- that was prior to all of the current requirements.

This is still dangerous, and just ignoring it won't make it go away.
 
MichVandal said:
It's amusing to see the denial on the cruise board. Some think that the pandemic is still going on just because we are testing. They are denying that people are still going to hospitals and are still dying.

Maybe they are desperate to cruise w/o a vaccine. But the cruise lines have made it VERY clear that 1) they can't take care of people who really get sick with COVID, and 2) requiring vaccines and tests reduces their exposure to problems. So far, out of ALL of the people who have gone on cruises, a handful of people have needed hospitalizations, and the (sorry that it happened) people who unfortunately passed- that was prior to all of the current requirements.

This is still dangerous, and just ignoring it won't make it go away.
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Dangerous compared to what?

What is the danger now compared to a different time (you choose).

Are you able to articulate anything in regards to risk? Everything you mentioned above is completely nonsensical.
 
Scarlet said:
More than 3,300 cases reported yesterday in MA and a positivity rate over 5%. SO glad mask mandates have gone away. /sarcasm
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The positive rate is concerning, but hospitalizations are not up substantially (431 vs the March-ish low of mid-200s). Deaths, always a very lagging indicator, are way down. We're far enough into this BA.2.xxx wave that hospitalizations have caught up with cases (and deaths will in another week or two).


What this tells me is that the pandemic isn't over. Covid is still a problem. However, for those of us otherwise healthy as well as vaccinated/boosted, Covid is an annoyance. If you're immunocompromised or live with people who are (or the other co-morbidities), then mask up with a good mask when you go out. But for most of us? Covid has finally become the analog to a nasty flu year.


Also, wastewater data here has turned over, so cases should - hopefully - come down with them. With the widespread availability of home tests (that aren't figured into state reporting at all), the wastewater data is likely a better indicator of spread than raw test results.

6 months ago if you had the sniffles you'd need to go get tested at a professional healthcare center, which would be reported to the DPH. Now? Nope. Positive or negative, you buy it at CVS and take it at home. A friend of mine has a rotten chest cold right now, and has 4 negative home tests. 6 months ago those negative tests would have factored into the positivity rate. Now? Nope.
 
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Swansong said:
The positive rate is concerning, but hospitalizations are not up substantially (431 vs the March-ish low of mid-200s). Deaths, always a very lagging indicator, are way down. We're far enough into this BA.2.xxx wave that hospitalizations have caught up with cases (and deaths will in another week or two).


What this tells me is that the pandemic isn't over. Covid is still a problem. However, for those of us otherwise healthy as well as vaccinated/boosted, Covid is an annoyance. If you're immunocompromised or live with people who are (or the other co-morbidities), then mask up with a good mask when you go out. But for most of us? Covid has finally become the analog to a nasty flu year.


Also, wastewater data here has turned over, so cases should - hopefully - come down with them. With the widespread availability of home tests (that aren't figured into state reporting at all), the wastewater data is likely a better indicator of spread than raw test results.

6 months ago if you had the sniffles you'd need to go get tested at a professional healthcare center, which would be reported to the DPH. Now? Nope. Positive or negative, you buy it at CVS and take it at home. A friend of mine has a rotten chest cold right now, and has 4 negative home tests. 6 months ago those negative tests would have factored into the positivity rate. Now? Nope.
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100% hope your observation trends keep going. That would be amazing. Have to spare a thought to our fellow Americans who lost their lives over this.
 
rufus said:
BA 4 wave raging through South Africa right now.
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Yeah, not ideal. But their vaccination rate is meaningfully lower than ours, and they also use vaccines that are less effective than what we have here.


In the US, our biggest headache is the FDA's outrageous slow-walking of the ages 2-5 approvals.
 
Swansong said:
Yeah, not ideal. But their vaccination rate is meaningfully lower than ours, and they also use vaccines that are less effective than what we have here.


In the US, our biggest headache is the FDA's outrageous slow-walking of the ages 2-5 approvals.
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Only 93 million got the booster out of approx. 350 million people and for many of those people that was many months ago. And that number will plummet dramatically for the next booster as most will not be getting a 4th shot.

We know the shot provides a small window of efficacy.

There will always be variants with coronaviruses.
 
Handyman said:
I guess I havent followed the under 5 deal...why are they slow playing?
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This my basic understanding, which may be oversimplified: Moderna says they've got it and are ready. FDA won't do anything until at least Pfizer catches up and they can approve both. Supposedly to avoid confusion.
 
Handyman said:
I guess I havent followed the under 5 deal...why are they slow playing?
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Well for starters kids in that age group are at Zero risk. In fact people <30 are at zero statistical risk.

So they will need to find a way to spin it. Also, making it look good by not approving right away.

”Vaccinating” a child at zero risk is nothing more than a mental placebo for an adult.

What about protection against severe illness?

No children in the Moderna study became severely sick, the company reports. The company was unable to provide an efficacy estimate for its ability to prevent severe illness.

“You will have trouble doing a trial big enough that is going to find serious illness in the less than 6-year-olds” Offit said.
 
The FDA complained that they didn't have enough data. Example - there were zero hospitalized vaccinated yoots. And... zero hospitalized unvaccinated yoots in the test cohort. I agree, that it's tough to measure against nothing. But for god's sake kids are absolutely getting Covid and absolutely spreading it. We give kids a number of vaccines for diseases that are more harmful to the adults they pass it on to than they are to the child directly. But hey, why not choose now to reinvent this particular wheel?

The FDA needs to stop out-thinking themselves and focus on their job.
 
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