Obama 7 - now what?

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

I think you just proved my point. You come off as pretty conservative on this board, yet even you don't have a problem with him accepting the prize and you don't think Congress will either. Therefore, it would take someone who's REALLY conservative - for example, perhaps someone who cared about Obama's birth certificate - to care about this.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. But to me it's a matter of semantics. I don't think "birthers" are conservative, just as I don't think "truthers" are liberal. They're something else--a different category--far out of the mainstream and deeply into the paranoid school of politics. Just like the people who thought Clinton was involved in Vince Foster's death. Or the people (Gary Sick and others) who thought Bush I flew in an SR-71 to make a deal with the Mullahs in Iran to hold the hostages 'till after Reagan beat Carter. I mean pretty soon we'll need an economic stimulus project to expand the grassy knoll.

Plus as a practical matter the constitution didn't contemplate a president winning an award that wasn't in existence. And we're talking about POTUS here, and an award that is really in a class by itself, even if it's prestige has taken a huge hit. And it would be very dangerous politically for the GOP to try to stop him from accepting, IMHO, and would cause some resentful blowback.

[Kepler]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

And it would be very dangerous politically for the GOP to try to stop him from accepting, IMHO, and would cause some resentful blowback.

It makes them look idiotic, like the Clinton impeachment, and it opens them up to "as we face real problems, they want to waste time on THIS?"

It plays well with the Obama Derangement Syndrome crowd (no doubt we'll have a couple guest appearances later by our Senior Fellows), but the other 72% of the country will just shake their head and vote blue. Again.

Each side has its dbags, but for now the right has them as its public face, and that's a killer anywhere north of Charlotte.

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

It makes them look idiotic, like the Clinton impeachment, and it opens them up to "as we face real problems, they want to waste time on THIS?"

It plays well with the Obama Derangement Syndrome crowd, but the other 72% of the country will just shake their head and vote blue again.

72% eh. Maybe we should just call off those elections next year.

[Tundra]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

He'll take credit for the good news and blame the bad news on his predecessor, just like every other president, CEO, manager, coach or spiritual leader in history.

Yeah but even the most stupidest person in the world will get a clue at some point ann the blame/credit belongs to him and him alone. Fanatics are fanatics and will blame everyone else but themselves.

[Kepler]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

72% eh. Maybe we should just call off those elections next year.

Not on your life. The harder these guys go down, the better for your side, my side, and the country as a whole.

OK, maybe not my side. A cupcake schedule may not build muscles, but at the end of the day, a win's a win.

[BearPaw]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Personally I don't think BNPPWO deserves the award nor that he should accept it. But if Barack Hussein Obama, mmm, mmm, mmm, wants to float over to Europe to thank his constituents for giving him the prize, I don't have a problem with it. And I can't imagine congress would stand in his way.

Olympia will help him board the plane.

[dropthatpuck]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Oh, goody. In case the birthers and death squadders need another non-issue to fret about, they can turn to this...

See? This administration's trampling on the Constitution again.

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Not on your life. The harder these guys go down, the better for your side, my side, and the country as a whole.

OK, maybe not my side. A cupcake schedule may not build muscles, but at the end of the day, a win's a win.

I assume that means you differentiate as between politics and, say, Olympic basketball.

[joecct]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Oh, goody. In case the birthers and death squadders need another non-issue to fret about, they can turn to this...

Barry, keep the change.

[Rover]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Another beauty right here...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/...rracial_rebuff

Why is it that social conservatives always want to tell you how to run the most personal decisions in your lives?

[Kepler]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Another beauty right here...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/...rracial_rebuff

Why is it that social conservatives always want to tell you how to run the most personal decisions in your lives?

"They use my bathroom"? Christ on a cracker.

Rover, that's not "social conservatism," it's just the thinking of someone who grew up in a different era. It's very typical of a bygone age of thinking. I specifically recall a conservation with my Dad (now in his mid 80's) when I was in college where he said that as far as he was concerned mixed race marriages were moral except "I worry about what their kids will face." This from an extremely thoughtful, intelligent, and very kind man, thirty years ago. It's just Olde Tyme Thinking. I'm sure thirty years from now there will be some guy saying something like this re: gay marriage. Probably in the same parish.

For that matter, the devout and even the most extreme Wackjob Fundies have often been right on the front lines for racial justice. Remember that Colorado football coach moron from a decade or so ago with "Promise Keepers"? He may have been a first prize idiot when it came to gender, but he was in-your-face against racism of any kind. I grew up knowing a lot of people like that.

So for all their hypocrisy, don't lay this one as the Fundies' door. This isn't Obama vs Anti-Obama, it's now vs the past.

[amherstblackbear]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Obama doesn't need the money. The U.S. Constitution cannot tell the Nobel Committee whom to name.

Problem solved.

[Kepler]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Barry, keep the change.

I will never be able to look at that bumper sticker phrase with equanimity because the first time I saw it was on a white power website. Serves me right for looking up a History Channel story on vikings in Minnesota.

[Kepler]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Obama doesn't need the money. The U.S. Constitution cannot tell the Nobel Committee whom to name.

Problem solved.

Donate it to a peace organization. Accept the award on behalf of America at her idealistic best.

[5mn_Major]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

It makes them look idiotic, like the Clinton impeachment, and it opens them up to "as we face real problems, they want to waste time on THIS?"

It plays well with the Obama Derangement Syndrome crowd (no doubt we'll have a couple guest appearances later by our Senior Fellows), but the other 72% of the country will just shake their head and vote blue. Again.

Each side has its dbags, but for now the right has them as its public face, and that's a killer anywhere north of Charlotte.

I see 'conservatives' as being a group that is defined by (a variety of) conservative views. As in being spokespeople for policy concepts. On the otherhand, there are also 'ideologues' who see everything through a political lense and live in terms of good and evil via concepts such as 'socialism'. It is the latter group (and their supporters who have something more to gain from an Obama embarrasment) that continue to resurrect the story and attempt to turn something positive into what they try to position as an Obama failure.