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  • #16
    Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

    Originally posted by MaizeRage View Post
    But according to Dick Bremer last night, the Twins were the far superior team in that series.

    Also, it was hilarious watching Bremer treat Justin Morneau's projected RBI total like the cost of Gob Bluth's suit. By the end of the night, Morneau was on pace to hit about 180 RBIs this season. I bet Mauer wishes he had shut it down for the season when he had that little injury at the end of the year, rather than having to eat all the **** for his team choking again.
    It was a good matchup for us, I thought then. Santana v Zito in game one. Morneau hit a HR in 2 of the 3 games. We lost 3-2, 5-2, 8-3 with home field advantage. Really other then Radke in game 3 we had solid starting pitching that series.

    Although we did commit 3 errors in game 3.
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    • #17
      Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
      If $96 million is worth an ALCS, then what is $220 million worth? What about $160 million? $140 million?
      Tampa Bay made the WS with a payroll around $40 million, they won the East this year with a payroll of around $70 million. Money isnt the problem, coaching and players are the problem.
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      • #18
        Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
        Tampa Bay made the WS with a payroll around $40 million, they won the East this year with a payroll of around $70 million. Money isnt the problem, coaching and players are the problem.
        BS. Money is the problem. Are you telling me that a team that spends $220 million is on equal footing with a team that spends $80 million?

        There are three things that are important for a player when deciding on a team to play for: Money, money, and money. Without money, you don't get the players.

        Tampa Bay is also goiong to lose some of these players to FA when they get what they're actually worth. Just like the Dodgers this year. THey had to dump payroll because resigning a guy like matt kemp isn't going to happen for the same price they are paying him now.
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        • #19
          Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
          BS. Money is the problem. Are you telling me that a team that spends $220 million is on equal footing with a team that spends $80 million?

          There are three things that are important for a player when deciding on a team to play for: Money, money, and money. Without money, you don't get the players.

          Tampa Bay is also goiong to lose some of these players to FA when they get what they're actually worth. Just like the Dodgers this year. THey had to dump payroll because resigning a guy like matt kemp isn't going to happen for the same price they are paying him now.
          You know there are teams like the Cubs, Tigers, White Sox and Mets that totally defeat your money argument. Winning is not purely about your payroll.
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          • #20
            Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

            Originally posted by JF_Gophers View Post
            You know there are teams like the Cubs, Tigers, White Sox and Mets that totally defeat your money argument. Winning is not purely about your payroll.
            No, it's not. It's buying the right players AND having a manager competent enough to get them to play with each other.

            The twins have the latter. THe other teams the former. And for the record, I never said it was purely about payroll. And it's not entirely exclusive of payroll either like some seem to make it out to be. It's both.
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            • #21
              Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

              Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
              No, it's not. It's buying the right players AND having a manager competent enough to get them to play with each other.

              The twins have the latter. THe other teams the former. And for the record, I never said it was purely about payroll. And it's not entirely exclusive of payroll either like some seem to make it out to be. It's both.
              You have theoretically the best hitter in baseball on the team, Thome, Kubel, Hudson, and Delmon Young after a FANTASTIC year at the plate.

              And they go 0-13 with Runners in Scoring Position against the Yankees in the playoffs.

              These guys can't handle the pressure. Plain and simple.
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              • #22
                Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                You have theoretically the best hitter in baseball on the team, Thome, Kubel, Hudson, and Delmon Young after a FANTASTIC year at the plate.

                And they go 0-13 with Runners in Scoring Position against the Yankees in the playoffs.

                These guys can't handle the pressure. Plain and simple.
                Ok, what do you propose they do about it?
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                • #23
                  Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

                  Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                  Ok, what do you propose they do about it?
                  I'm not sure there is anything you can do. You don't blow up a team that wins it's division almost every year.

                  It is what it is.

                  But, don't blame the manager or the pitching or even the front office when the entire lineup can't hit in the playoffs. Maybe they need a psychologist on staff?
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                  • #24
                    Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    And we're blaming the pitching?
                    While the team failed miserably at clutch hitting, it doesn't change the fact that the pitching staff gave up 5-6 runs per game.

                    FWIW, MN got two hits with RISP (one hit was a single with a guy on 2nd that did not score a run) last night.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

                      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                      No, it's not. It's buying the right players AND having a manager competent enough to get them to play with each other.

                      The twins have the latter. THe other teams the former. And for the record, I never said it was purely about payroll. And it's not entirely exclusive of payroll either like some seem to make it out to be. It's both.
                      So we dont have the right players? We didnt back in 06 when we had the MVP, the Cy Young Award Winner and the batting champ? Come on that is ridiculous that team didnt even get beat by the Yanks they got swept by Oakland.

                      Face it, this team and this manager dont have the intestinal fortitude to handle the pressure when the chips are down. Gardy is to baseball what Marty Shottenheimer or Denny Green was to football...good enough to win before the games have real meaning.

                      BTW take a gander at Texas' payroll and tell me money matters...just saying. ($55 million)
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                      • #26
                        Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

                        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                        So we dont have the right players? We didnt back in 06 when we had the MVP, the Cy Young Award Winner and the batting champ? Come on that is ridiculous that team didnt even get beat by the Yanks they got swept by Oakland.

                        Face it, this team and this manager dont have the intestinal fortitude to handle the pressure when the chips are down. Gardy is to baseball what Marty Shottenheimer or Denny Green was to football...good enough to win before the games have real meaning.

                        BTW take a gander at Texas' payroll and tell me money matters...just saying. ($55 million)
                        You're complete dismissal of payroll is ridiculous at best

                        What do you propose we do to fix the team?
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                        • #27
                          Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

                          There is nothing we can do, we are stuck where we are because the fans would go apecrap if they took a chance.

                          And I didnt completely dismiss it, I just think it is a crutch people who are satisfied with the teams performance use as an excuse for the team to go nowhere. The team makes plenty of money and spends plenty of money, they spend it on the wrong people but since they win division titles (yawn) they must be pretty good.

                          Plenty of non-Yankee teams seem to do just fine, it is only the Twins that pee down their leg year in and year out. 1 ALCS appearance in 6 playoff runs is a joke, and in any other town people would be ticked off. (except Atlanta where they dont care about sports especially the Braves) But since the Twins sucked for a decade before this people turn a blind eye. They are just happy they get to watch the games and cheer for Baby Jesus.

                          Whatever...I am over this
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                          • #28
                            Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

                            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                            There is nothing we can do, we are stuck where we are because the fans would go apecrap if they took a chance.

                            And I didnt completely dismiss it, I just think it is a crutch people who are satisfied with the teams performance use as an excuse for the team to go nowhere. The team makes plenty of money and spends plenty of money, they spend it on the wrong people but since they win division titles (yawn) they must be pretty good.

                            Plenty of non-Yankee teams seem to do just fine, it is only the Twins that pee down their leg year in and year out. 1 ALCS appearance in 6 playoff runs is a joke, and in any other town people would be ticked off. (except Atlanta where they dont care about sports especially the Braves) But since the Twins sucked for a decade before this people turn a blind eye. They are just happy they get to watch the games and cheer for Baby Jesus.
                            nice dodge
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                            Originally posted by SanTropez
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                            Originally posted by bigblue_dl
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                            Originally posted by Kepler
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                            He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                            • #29
                              Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

                              What dodge, I admitted there was nothing we can do. The team is just good enough that nothing can be done without risking all of it. So here we are. Yeah dodge indeed

                              Personally, I would jettison half the pitching staff, bring in a new bench coach and third base coach, trade Kubel, not sign Punto and see where go from there. (I would have to look at contracts and so on to decide more) Doing all that would cause riots though and you know it.

                              I would also tell Gardy that it is now time to start winning the games that matter most. The fact that Ozzie has a WS title and we dont is a big problem.

                              I am not a GM though, or an owner I am just sick of the crutch people use to excuse the Twins when other "cheap" teams do better than them.
                              Last edited by Handyman; 10-10-2010, 08:30 PM.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

                                You imply that you would get rid of gardy, who do you replace him with?
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                                Originally posted by SanTropez
                                May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                                Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                                I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                                Originally posted by Kepler
                                When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                                He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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