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Originally posted by SanTropezMay your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.Originally posted by bigblue_dlI don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..Originally posted by KeplerWhen the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
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I blame Mrs. O'Leary's cow.CCT '77 & '78
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Originally posted by sagard View PostObama needs to either quit making war, or quit spending. ASAP.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
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Nobody said he wasn't ALLOWED to do those things.
But he'd better stop if he wants to be re-elected. Why doesn't he understand these basic principles that the majority of Americans do? Is he just dumber than half of the population?
ETA: speaking of dumb. Let's see, so that's $2B to create 3000 permanent jobs, or $667K per job. Awesome. Give out that same $2B in small business loans, and you'd easily get twice as many jobs resulting. Or looking at the $2B to power 70,000 homes - that's $28.5K per home. You'd get a far greater reduction in CO2 footprint by spending $5K each on 400,000 homes to upgrade furnaces, hot water heaters, and insulation. Too bad those things aren't "****" like huge, wasteful, inefficient solar boondoggles. Anyone surprised to see style over substance from this administration?Last edited by LynahFan; 07-04-2010, 04:25 AM.If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?
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Now now, despite the REQUIRED inefficiency the green jobs will save our economy... somehow. Despite the fact that the debt can only be remedied by increased national efficiency or an urge for foreign nations to use our currency and "buy american" or that our current economic problems can only be solved by getting people employed under traditional means doing jobs needed within a proper functioning society.
edit: Of course there's the Krugman model... pile up on debt, find a way to make the economy overheat and then immediately pay off the bills... but even that requires an increase of efficiency for which competing nations can't keep up with... sadly you can only develop the internet once.Last edited by Patman; 07-04-2010, 05:43 AM.BS UML '04, PhD UConn '09
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I rather enjoyed the Waddling Fool's final post in the last thread. I love how none of his responses actually refuted what Bakunin said about the inherent differences between debts to corporations and paying taxes to the government. Especially the last one, where he just mindlessly (although that's pretty much par for the course, isn't it?) starts naming off businesses that failed.
Job well done, Bakunin. You have helped me achieve comedy heaven for the day.Keep an open mind. Just don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out.
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Originally posted by Patman View Postedit: Of course there's the Krugman model... pile up on debt, find a way to make the economy overheat and then immediately pay off the bills... but even that requires an increase of efficiency for which competing nations can't keep up with... sadly you can only develop the internet once.
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Originally posted by Priceless View PostThat's why we need to develop the next "Internet," whatever that is. Americans are pretty good at building things. Highways, railroads, electricity, curing diseases, atomic power, exploring space...
The problem is you can't just engineer the "next best thing"... the internet was developed over multiple presidencies and didn't become a practical matter until speeds advanced beyond 150-year old tortoise carrying a piano.
edit: Don't tell me you actually think the Krugman model is a working scenario... Krugman doesn't even include the "next great technology" bit... he thinks the economy will just react to the cash-dump and get the same motor running again.BS UML '04, PhD UConn '09
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Originally posted by Patman View Postok, you do understand these things don't just happen, right? They also certainly don't happen when the president is tossing out money to random nonsense projects like "cash for clunkers" or "homebuyer tax credits"... or the "stimulus" which could be adequately summarized as the "Democratic Party minor issue funding wish list"... I'm sure I could go on and on but I never really have the desire to research out the whole list.
The problem is you can't just engineer the "next best thing"... the internet was developed over multiple presidencies and didn't become a practical matter until speeds advanced beyond 150-year old tortoise carrying a piano.
edit: Don't tell me you actually think the Krugman model is a working scenario... Krugman doesn't even include the "next great technology" bit... he thinks the economy will just react to the cash-dump and get the same motor running again.
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Originally posted by Patman View Postok, you do understand these things don't just happen, right? They also certainly don't happen when the president is tossing out money to random nonsense projects like "cash for clunkers" or "homebuyer tax credits"... or the "stimulus" which could be adequately summarized as the "Democratic Party minor issue funding wish list"... I'm sure I could go on and on but I never really have the desire to research out the whole list.
The problem is you can't just engineer the "next best thing"... the internet was developed over multiple presidencies and didn't become a practical matter until speeds advanced beyond 150-year old tortoise carrying a piano.
edit: Don't tell me you actually think the Krugman model is a working scenario... Krugman doesn't even include the "next great technology" bit... he thinks the economy will just react to the cash-dump and get the same motor running again.Code:As of 9/21/10: As of 9/13/10: College Hockey 6 College Football 0 BTHC 4 WCHA FC: 1
Originally posted by SanTropezMay your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.Originally posted by bigblue_dlI don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..Originally posted by KeplerWhen the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
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Originally posted by LynahFan View PostNobody said he wasn't ALLOWED to do those things.
But he'd better stop if he wants to be re-elected. Why doesn't he understand these basic principles that the majority of Americans do? Is he just dumber than half of the population?
ETA: speaking of dumb. Let's see, so that's $2B to create 3000 permanent jobs, or $667K per job. Awesome. Give out that same $2B in small business loans, and you'd easily get twice as many jobs resulting.
So in a normal economy youre right on. But this is not a normal economy. The problem is not pushing money out there...there are big banks that will be happy to take your money. Unfortunately the government is the best avenue to make sure that projects get started...and private contractors are hired...so investment actually turns into circulating capital. This is about the psychology of consumption.
The deficit is a huge problem. But its important to remember at least half of the solution is fixing govt revenues as about half of Americans didn't pay taxes last year due to the recession. And hiring and consumption is best way to fix it.
Originally posted by LynahFan View PostOr looking at the $2B to power 70,000 homes - that's $28.5K per home. You'd get a far greater reduction in CO2 footprint by spending $5K each on 400,000 homes to upgrade furnaces, hot water heaters, and insulation. Too bad those things aren't "****" like huge, wasteful, inefficient solar boondoggles. Anyone surprised to see style over substance from this administration?
All in all...the administration certainly hasn't been perfect (primarily in its choice of priorities). But IMO the overall approach has been fairly sound and logical...this has not been the case for the GOP over the last decade.Last edited by 5mn_Major; 07-04-2010, 10:24 AM.Go Gophers!
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Originally posted by Red Cloud View PostYou have helped me achieve comedy heaven for the day.
Originally posted by pricelessPay your taxes and obey the law and you have nothing to worry about.
This next quote relates to the power of Congress to reinstate the military draft in the future:
Originally posted by pricelessAn asteroid can destroy the planet tomorrow.
Originally posted by meWorking for a security company is not the same as being drafted by the US government to take up arms. Don't pretend that it is.Originally posted by pricelessBoth are voluntary. One pays a lot better.
The next response deals with him making a comment that companies don't care if you buy their products with money you don't have, which led me to mention that the credit card companies care about failing to collect on their debts, which led to this:
Originally posted by pricelessDoesn't that destroy your credit rating?
Lastly, posting a random list of companies that went bust is hardly a compelling argument that corporate stupidity costs more than government stupidity.
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Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostEvidence? Even as companies had profits that blew away expectations the last 3 quarters and the stock market almost doubled from 6500 to 11500...employment didn't budge
But this is not a normal economy.
Unfortunately the government is the best avenue to make sure that projects get started...and private contractors are hired...so investment actually turns into circulating capital. This is about the psychology to spend but society doesn't understand this.
Furnaces, insulation, skylights, doors and windows all have major upgrade govt rebates today. IMO this is pretty good. It targets a public good...and it doesn't just give money to someone who will sit on it...but rather it forces business to be done to unlock those funds.
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