College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

[blockski]

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I think part of the problem for Kansas is that they are tied closely to Kansas State, kind of like how the Texas state schools are trying to go as a package (though A&M sounds like they could change this). I've read a place or two that Kansas won't likely move somewhere without Kansas State being in on the deal, probably due to state politics. I'm thinking Kansas is a more attractive target than Kansas State, but Kansas doesn't bring enough to the table to make a conference exited about a combined Kansas/Kansas State package.

Yeah, that's certainly part of it.

Texas and A&M is different, as both have good academics, strong research, and good athletics - the poison pill in that deal would be Texas Tech and possibly Baylor (who gets added on via politics despite being a private school).

Kansas might want to ditch K-State, but maybe they can't. KU has a lot going for it, especially with close proximity to a decently large market in KC - it's just kinda stuck in the middle geographically. Nebraska has bolted to the North, CU to the west, and KU doesn't have an obvious place to go.

[Bob Gray]

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I would joke about proposing a 'state' conference for also-rans like Kansas State, Iowa State, A&M, etc. But nothing would surprise me at this point.

I wouldn't put A&M in the category with those other two. A&M is a rather appealing target, certainly much more than schools like Kansas State and Iowa State.

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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So USC basketball does something way worse than football and they get a slap on the wrist. USC football has one player and his family do something and they get the worst punishment in NCAA football history since SMU.

And they had a coach on staff that knew everything that was going on and reported NONE of it. That's gross negligence.

[blockski]

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How would a 16 team football conference work? Two divisions of eight? Play each team in your division and then one crossover per year? A constant crossover? Or rotating?

I still think a 16 team football conference would be absolutely ridiculous.

I don't think any of those details have been worked out yet, and it would depend on the conference. One idea would be to have Four 4-team pods, where 2 of them will form a division for a season, then they would rotate. You'd share a pod with your closest rivals.

The Big Ten is close to this right now with the designated rivals that never rotate off the schedule:

* Illinois: Indiana, Northwestern
* Indiana: Illinois, Purdue
* Purdue: Indiana, Northwestern
* Northwestern: Illinois, Purdue

* Michigan: Michigan State, Ohio State
* Michigan State: Michigan, Penn State
* Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State
* Penn State: Michigan State, Ohio State

* Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota
* Iowa: Minnesota, Wisconsin
* Minnesota: Iowa, Wisconsin

Of course, they could also completely do away with non-conference games and who knows what would happen then.

[LynahFan]

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Sucks that slimeball Pete Carroll skipped town, and ordinarlly I'd feel sorry for his successor. But given who his successor is, I hope that they have a game scheduled with Tennesee in three years.

Yeah, just too bad that Kiffen won't still be there to receive the beat down personally...

[LynahFan]

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And they had a coach on staff that knew everything that was going on and reported NONE of it. That's gross negligence.

Bordering on conspiracy.

[Handyman]

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Right, but that's not an equivalent number to show what a team's value to a conference would be. To have it make sense, a team would have to add as much value to the shared revenue pool as it would take out. For example, if the Big Ten hands out $22 million per team, that means that a new team must add at least that much value to the existing TV revenues in order for the new money to break even (since you're now dividing that pie by 12 teams instead of 11).

KU's higher revenue than ND could be (and probably is) solely attributable to larger crowds at Allen Fieldhouse. That's of no benefit to a conference, however, since that ticket revenue isn't shared amongst the conference.

Right, but how is that relevant to what was being discussed. Again, dx threw out numbers, Craig disagreed so I showed the numbers. You are interjecting a whole different argument into this that isnt part of it at all.

I am not disputing what you are saying, I am saying your point is not part of what was being discussed as near as I can tell. You are hijacking it to make another point. This isnt about what school would be better, it is about whether KU brought in $3 million more than ND did as dx said. My numbers said they did...and they are the official numbers so I am going to trust them.

[amherstblackbear]

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(makes note to check tennessean.com sports section tomorrow morning)

[Bob Gray]

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So USC basketball does something way worse than football and they get a slap on the wrist. USC football has one player and his family do something and they get the worst punishment in NCAA football history since SMU.

Yet another case of justice, NCAA style. Really, expecting anything remotely consistent or logical from the NCAA is quiet fanciful. Alabama, with the slap on the wrist they got recently, has to be laughing their heads off as they polish their BCS title trophy.

[Priceless]

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How would a 16 team football conference work? Two divisions of eight? Play each team in your division and then one crossover per year? A constant crossover? Or rotating?

I still think a 16 team football conference would be absolutely ridiculous.

More than likely. Or two crossover games - one rotating and one "traditional" (try not to laugh) rival.

Another great thing about leaving the NCAA (and its rules) behind is that these mega-conferences can increase the schedule. Another home gate or two will only help add revenue (and extending the schedule would be great TV money!). Of course, the players union will never allow an expanded schedule...oh that's right...this is college...no union.

[blockski]

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Right, but how is that relevant to what was being discussed. Again, dx threw out numbers, Craig disagreed so I showed the numbers. You are interjecting a whole different argument into this that isnt part of it at all.

I am not disputing what you are saying, I am saying your point is not part of what was being discussed as near as I can tell. You are hijacking it to make another point. This isnt about what school would be better, it is about whether KU brought in $3 million more than ND did as dx said. My numbers said they did...and they are the official numbers so I am going to trust them.

Because the entire conversation before then was using TV and shared revenue as the starting point - hence the $15 million figure for ND's deal with NBC and the $22 million figure for the Big Ten's annual payout to members.

Taking Craig's numbers, that's 21 million for ND in a good year (15 from NBC, 4 for a bowl game, and 2 from the Big East for hoops). By interjecting the idea that KU is $3m more valuable than ND, that implies that KU is worth ~$24m per year in shared revenue. That's certainly not the case.

Dx moved the goalposts.

[Hammer]

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Does the $22 mil that the Big Ten pays out include the bowl game revenue?

[Handyman]

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Yes and Craig challenged dx's numbers about AD revenue, not the previous conversation. Keep trying but you are still broadening out a post that needs no broadening. Craig wanted proof, I gave him proof end of friggin story. Just ignore it and make your conference arguments on their own, they arent wrong just irrelevent to why I posted those specific numbers.

If you tell me that you dont believe 2 + 2 = 4 and then I post proof that it does that is the end of it.

[blockski]

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Does the $22 mil that the Big Ten pays out include the bowl game revenue?

Yes.

That's supposed to be the sum of their ESPN/ABC football contract, their ESPN and CBS basketball contract, as well as the annual revenue from the BTN. The key is that each school gets 6 mil a year from BTN, plus the raw profits above and beyond that are split with Fox and the conference.

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Nice job by Pete Carroll there. Got out just in time.

Yeah...he and Jim Calipari are real winners

Why is it okay for scumbags like Carroll and Calipari to keep covienently "getting out just in time" before the program they leave goes to shambles and they move on to better jobs and more money?

It's a crock of horse$h!t and those two are everything that's wrong with college sports today.

When did the workplace start rewarding guys who lied, cheated, etc to get for money when average joe goes to work everyday and plays by the rules just so he can put food on the table for his family while those two get away with whatever they want and get rewarded for it.